Hygro
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The most repetition it can get away with, or the least repetition it can get away with?
The perfect music has
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Zkribbler
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It should be put out by Motown. 
The perfect music has already been created.
gay_Aleks
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I deny the notion of "perfect" music existing.
Borachio
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I sing the perfect music all the time.
(Unfortunately, I seem to be the only person in the entire world who knows this - you cloth-eared lot! I have very frequently been offered very good money to stop singing. In the interests of world culture, I do, of course, always refuse to take any.)
What I lack in terms of rhythm and tone (and I'll admit that those are the areas where I'm weak), I more than make up with volume, I think.
As for repetition, I can't see that you can have too much of it. A quality second only to volume, imo.
(Unfortunately, I seem to be the only person in the entire world who knows this - you cloth-eared lot! I have very frequently been offered very good money to stop singing. In the interests of world culture, I do, of course, always refuse to take any.)
What I lack in terms of rhythm and tone (and I'll admit that those are the areas where I'm weak), I more than make up with volume, I think.
As for repetition, I can't see that you can have too much of it. A quality second only to volume, imo.
Mise
isle of lucy
Surely if the song is "perfect" then it would simultaneously have the most and the least repetition it could get away with? Any more or less repetition than that and it wouldn't be getting away with it: it wouldn't be perfect.
Unless we're saying that "getting away with it" means "just the right side of being a bad song", in which case a perfect song would be nowhere near this level of repetition.
Unless we're saying that "getting away with it" means "just the right side of being a bad song", in which case a perfect song would be nowhere near this level of repetition.
Lohrenswald
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The most repetition it can get away with, but there isn't actually that much it can get away with
Terxpahseyton
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I regard Kaynes' album "Yeezus" as proof that repetition is not over-rated. Many of the songs have really really cool stuff in them, but none of the songs caught me, because they are too idiosyncratic.
I think if you include fundamentally different musical parts in your song, they need to still be fundamentally connected by balancing each other out or being part of a coherent story or something like that. And Kaynes' approach feels like "WHAAA I AM GOD I DO WHATEVER I WANT WHAAA!".
Not sure how to directly answer your question. I don't think perfection is a question of maxing out one or the other? Or maybe both aspects touch on something of central importance?
To max out repetition, you need really good musical parts for it. To max out diversity, you need a really good composition of really good musical parts. Something like that?
I think if you include fundamentally different musical parts in your song, they need to still be fundamentally connected by balancing each other out or being part of a coherent story or something like that. And Kaynes' approach feels like "WHAAA I AM GOD I DO WHATEVER I WANT WHAAA!".
Not sure how to directly answer your question. I don't think perfection is a question of maxing out one or the other? Or maybe both aspects touch on something of central importance?
To max out repetition, you need really good musical parts for it. To max out diversity, you need a really good composition of really good musical parts. Something like that?
Hygro
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A lot of things score like black jack. Getting a 21 is just on the right side of being a bad hand.
I like this answer.
I think it's much easier for a perfect or near perfect piece of music to have more repetition. If you hit a winning riff, there's no reason to change it. If you can come up with another winning riff that is equally fantastic, then that's obviously going to be good too, but it's going to be much harder to get to that point.
That could be taken as meaning that a piece of music which has multiple distinct perfect elements is going to be better than a song which just finds one winning element and repeats it. But the search for the former might be too illusive to be really feasible, such that a composer is much better off focusing on that one perfect theme or motif that can be worked with, rather than attempting to create something more intricate.
Presumably the perfect piece of music would be one which the listener would attempt to repeatedly listen to, in which case the answer seems to be that more of the same is considered a good thing.
That could be taken as meaning that a piece of music which has multiple distinct perfect elements is going to be better than a song which just finds one winning element and repeats it. But the search for the former might be too illusive to be really feasible, such that a composer is much better off focusing on that one perfect theme or motif that can be worked with, rather than attempting to create something more intricate.
Presumably the perfect piece of music would be one which the listener would attempt to repeatedly listen to, in which case the answer seems to be that more of the same is considered a good thing.
Gori the Grey
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Just on two right sides of being a bad hand.
And it's also the answer to your question: the perfect song has 21 repetitions.
Mise
isle of lucy
Fair play.
warpus
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Depends on the genre and what the artist is going for. If it's a deep house mix I am trying to code to, I like variety, but it should change slowly. If it's a rock song I'm rocking out with my rock out, it can't just be the same thing over and over.
Lexicus
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I don't think repetition or its lack is the main thing I look for. Like, I love an improvisational jazz track that hardly repeats and I also love the repetitive hip-hop beat that samples it.
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I'm not an avid music listener, never really was. I'm not one of those people that always has it on or buys a bunch of albums and sits and listens to them. I just listen in the car and nowadays I prefer talk radio like comedy or sports or sometimes political stuff or just news. Guess I'm getting old.
So for me I want something easy to listen to which usually means repetitive hooks. I want a song to have a really good hook. Like I went to see Ellie Goulding a couple days ago. Got you on my mind has a really good hook in it. It's catchy, has some backup singing, idk it just sounds cool even though it's clearly bubble gum pop music. Though she is actually quite an amazing singer, kinda hard to tell on the radio when it all sounds like sampled dance music, but at the concert every thing was live with backup singers and real instruments using keyboards for the digital stuff but it was played in real time.
So for me I want something easy to listen to which usually means repetitive hooks. I want a song to have a really good hook. Like I went to see Ellie Goulding a couple days ago. Got you on my mind has a really good hook in it. It's catchy, has some backup singing, idk it just sounds cool even though it's clearly bubble gum pop music. Though she is actually quite an amazing singer, kinda hard to tell on the radio when it all sounds like sampled dance music, but at the concert every thing was live with backup singers and real instruments using keyboards for the digital stuff but it was played in real time.
As I see it, there needs to be some semblance of a story involved. I tend to prefer songs to music without words because the story comes through clearer.
Of course one could say that all life is music and song with a necessary uniqueness and repetitive patterns. When one synchronizes oneself to those patterns, life is happier.
Of course one could say that all life is music and song with a necessary uniqueness and repetitive patterns. When one synchronizes oneself to those patterns, life is happier.
Hygro
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Right now I'm agonizing over a track I've been working on for the past month and change. Part of me wants to cut all the fancy parts and keep it real simple, part of me wants to accentuate the changes and drive it wild.
I have this problem with music I make. I really like my extended grandiose versions but I do make them because I am not competent at executing a finished concise project. I keep adding awesome new parts trying to finish it, that end up crowding out the song. Then I try to fit it, and gaaaaaah
I have this problem with music I make. I really like my extended grandiose versions but I do make them because I am not competent at executing a finished concise project. I keep adding awesome new parts trying to finish it, that end up crowding out the song. Then I try to fit it, and gaaaaaah
You may need an outside editor. In the music industry isn't there a name for that job? Is it "producer"?
Hygro
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It can be, or it can be the engineer, or it can be a homey 
I'm the producer in this case. And presently, the engineer 
I'm the producer in this case. And presently, the engineer 
