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[GoodEnoughForMe]

I listen to a lot of un-traditional hipster douche niche music that abandons much of the traditional chorus structure and stuff, so I am biased, but I chose the latter. I start to get tired of the same:

Verse->Chorus->Verse->Chorus->Bridge->Chorus

Construction of some songs.

 

[Tatran]

Two or three times and than a change is required.

Here's a good example of extreme irritating repetition :


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[Borachio]

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It's a tricky one. Repetition is an essential part of any music. But you need variety to maintain an interest.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Were the various shifts in that piece made by actual people clapping together or just digitally shifted?

 

[Hygro]

That sounded really cool.

 

[Angst]

Question is misleading.

This is one of the best pieces in the world. The other best pieces in the world are by the same band.


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Repetition is core to their music, but the repetition is moving repetition. It's more of a dronology than a drone.

xoxoxo

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The point is more that repetition is a lot of things. If you study music you'll realize that. I think you (Hygro) are aware of this from being a musician. But you can't universally encourage or dismiss repetition.

 

[Hygro]

Damn. That was something.

To have the most repetition, you need the least repetition. To have the least repetition you need the most repetition.

 

[abradley]

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Feel the above is great

plus this


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Both repeat, both are classics IMO.

Perfect, no ... that comes if I manage to enter Heaven.

 

[Ironsided]

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This should be about the standard.

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Welcome to electro-smog therapy
Monsieur Guillotine and the democratic machine

 

[El_Machinae]

I think I like repetition, but sometimes I want it to be underlying some type of novelty. As an example of just repetition, I'm terrific fan of Ministry's Scarecrow. That said, I adore the crescendo. Delerium's Enchanted and Heaven's Earth have a great deal of underlying repetition, but that build into the crescendo is an essential part of my love. And there's no better crescendo than Jefferson's Airplane White Rabbit.

And the repetition can be exciting itself; some type of build that you look forward to. I find the negative sound in David Guetta's Titanium fascination, and I appreciate that it appears multiple times.

 

[jackelgull]

TBH, I don't know if my opinion is worth much, since I'm a slut for any song with a catchy tune and will have a one night stand with any song with a pulse, but I'll say this, music is about presentation.

Like I love this song
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[Birdjaguar]

I think I like repetition, but sometimes I want it to be underlying some type of novelty. As an example of just repetition, I'm terrific fan of Ministry's Scarecrow. That said, I adore the crescendo. Delerium's Enchanted and Heaven's Earth have a great deal of underlying repetition, but that build into the crescendo is an essential part of my love. And there's no better crescendo than Jefferson's Airplane White Rabbit.

Yes, it's wonderful and soaring.


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[Valka D'Ur]

The perfect music has already been created.

I rather doubt that. The perfect music would be one that everybody likes.

As I see it, there needs to be some semblance of a story involved. I tend to prefer songs to music without words because the story comes through clearer.

Of course one could say that all life is music and song with a necessary uniqueness and repetitive patterns. When one synchronizes oneself to those patterns, life is happier.

Humans tend to crave some degree of repetition and patterns. Our brains are wired to see patterns (or hear them, as the case may be).

Right now I'm agonizing over a track I've been working on for the past month and change. Part of me wants to cut all the fancy parts and keep it real simple, part of me wants to accentuate the changes and drive it wild.


I have this problem with music I make. I really like my extended grandiose versions but I do make them because I am not competent at executing a finished concise project. I keep adding awesome new parts trying to finish it, that end up crowding out the song. Then I try to fit it, and gaaaaaah

There are more ways than just one to create a song. Work out the simple version first, and then if you want an embellished version later, go for it.

There are times and places for both. Back when I was doing Western Board of Music exams, I had to learn a lot of Bach. For the exams, I had to keep them simple and unembellished - exactly as they were written, with nothing fancy added, and no fancy sounds. It drove one of my teachers nuts, because I was the first Western Board student she'd ever had, and she couldn't understand why I kept refusing to add more instruments, rhythm, and fancy embellishments. I told her that if I did that during an exam, I'd get a failing grade. But after the exam was over, I was more than happy to start experimenting.

 

[Quintillus]

I have mixed feelings on repetition. With a good hook, some repetition can be good. But too much repetition can turn me off a song; a good example of that is Coldplay's Daylight; I usually skip that one when listening to A Rush of Blood to the Head.

Question is misleading.

This is one of the best pieces in the world. The other best pieces in the world are by the same band.


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Thank you for reminding me of Godspeed You! Black Emperor. Personally, my favorite from F#A#∞ is East Hastings. Listening to it now for the first time in a few years.

I do tend to like extended grandiose versions of songs. Several of my favorite individual song versions are in the 10-26 minute range. Of course it helps if it really does add to the piece rather than just being the same piece two or three times.

I think I recall having listened to Hygro's Soundcloud in the past; as I remember it was pretty good.

 

[SLAAKMAN]

Some fine examples of perfect music-


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[Daw]

@Slaakman: in music (and many other fields as well) perfection is very much subjective.

For instance, of your selection:
#1 - I could stand for only 6 seconds, then switched off;
#2 - I agree it is catchy though hardly gets into my top 11 (or top 50). I don't switch the channel when it sounds on radio though;
#3 - Nah, I don't like it. Sometimes I even do switch the channel when it's on radio;
#4 - Killed me in 46 seconds;
#5 - It was a joke, right?
#6 - 3 seconds, then skipped to about 11 minutes, and killed it. So, 5 seconds total. How anyone can endure 2 whole hours of that is beyond me.
#7 - Music starts at about 0:25 there, and it is not bad. Not good enough to keep me listening for more than another minute though. And I wouldn't search for it to, say, have a record to play in my car when driving. Neither would I switch from it if it was on radio (generally, I think this criterion is like the coarse filter - would I switch if it was on radio? So please forgive me for applying it to all samples, it's a knee jerk thing, there's nothing I can do about it ). The video was just a waste of money IMO.
#8 - "This video is unavailable" But did you mean Ozzy's? No... And Europe's is no better while different. It must have been something else.
#9 - Stopped at 1:16. I'm not saying it was bad, but what made you include it in this selection of 11? It sounds so... ordinary...
#10 - Really good choice. You get me on your side with this one.
#11 - And this one reminded me I've never been a fan of David's...

All the above is not to argue about anything, it's just that there's no such thing as universally perfect music, apparently.

 

[downtown]

The best music has some righteous baritone saxophone

 

[Daw]

The best music has some righteous baritone saxophone

Ummm... No. No, I don't think it does. Does it?

 

[W|M]

Yeah, bass saxophone is better

 

[_random_]

I can think of a lot of songs I really like that have lots of repetition, and I can't think of anything that's remarkable specifically for being non-repetitive, so I guess I'm a maximist here.

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