The Rights of Men

[useless]

Except that none of this exists in the developed world.

I'll be sure to tell all the women who live in the developed world that then.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Most of them already know thankfully.

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Except that none of this exists in the developed world.

My sister strenuously disagrees and frankly I'm astonished someone could say this.

 

[useless]

If it seriously doesn't exist Bhavv, why the existence of slutwalks then?

 

[Vectors]

Acknowledging that male priviledge exists isn't biased, it's an acknowledgement that males get certain priviledges or don't need to work as hard as women to be gain the same level of respect or acceptance in cetain roles.

No one is going to go to a man and complain about how he dresses and how he is somehow bringing about negative attention in the same manner women are often addressed, for example and if a man is harassed, neither is that going to be the first thing said "oh well you were dressed in that way... you should have known...".

Well, if he wears a pink dress then he is likely to get harassed and few people will support him.

I believe the "a woman could not be raped by her husband" claim is one of those urban myths. I may be wrong on this, I have hardly researched it extensively, but I believe it was born out of the fact that "marital rape" is a (relatively) recent addition to the statute books, but this does not mean that the existing crime of "rape" didn't already cover this. It would be like saying that, before hate crimes existed, it was legal to stab black men in the neck.

Marriage vows used to be viewed as permanent and irrevocable consent on the part of the wife. Even if it theoretically fell within the scope of the law as rape it still wouldn't have been prosecuted.

Except that none of this exists in the developed world.

My personal experience says it does exist.

 

[civman110]

If it seriously doesn't exist Bhavv, why the existence of slutwalks then?

LOL, because "slutwalks" are so liberating and respectful to women...

It's crazy that that is what SJWs consider to be "liberation" - to debase and objectify themselves and celebrate it as liberal enlightenment. It's total inverted reality. The actual feminists that fought for the right to vote must be rolling over in their graves.

 

[sophie]

My personal experience says it does exist.

What could you, a woman in the western world, possibly know about being a woman in the western world. Let me tell you how things actually are for you people.

 

[Narz]

I'm sure there are people who think "she dressed that way so she deserved to get raped". It's certainly not some popular opinion though, it's a extremely vulgar & heartless sentiment. I've read comments sections in far-right websites so I know there are people that f-ed in the head.

This type of thought process may still exist in repressive Muslim countries but I suspect even there it's a minority opinion.

 

[Samson]

LOL, because "slutwalks" are so liberating and respectful to women...

It's crazy that that is what SJWs consider to be "liberation" - to debase and objectify themselves and celebrate it as liberal enlightenment. It's total inverted reality. The actual feminists that fought for the right to vote must be rolling over in their graves.

Why? I think one of the most pervasive aspects of sexism in the wider culture is the fact that women who get a lot of sex are called sluts or slags, which are generally considered negative, and men are called studs which is generally considered positive. A movement to reclaim the word slut as to mean a woman who is in control of her own sexuality seems an inherently positive thing to me, and could certainly be liberating.

 

[Tahuti]

I'm sure there are people who think "she dressed that way so she deserved to get raped". It's certainly not some popular opinion though, it's a extremely vulgar & heartless sentiment. I've read comments sections in far-right websites so I know there are people that f-ed in the head.

This type of thought process may still exist in repressive Muslim countries but I suspect even there it's a minority opinion.

Most Muslim countries are ruled by the Islamic equivalents of MRA's, so it would make sense such laws apply there. In the West, MRA's are a marginal phenomenom.

 

[Agent327]

No laws were mentioned, so I'm not sure where that is a response on?

 

[Akka]

They obviously exist due to simple biological facts, but that doesn't mean that we have to cram the colour pink down girl's throats and the colour blue down boy's throats. For example. There is a fine balance possible here, and right now we are nowhere near.

"nowhere near" ?
That's a pretty big hyperbole here.

 

[Tahuti]

No laws were mentioned, so I'm not sure where that is a response on?

Getting raped in the UAE is a punishable offence. An application of the 'she was asking to be raped' logic.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Why? I think one of the most pervasive aspects of sexism in the wider culture is the fact that women who get a lot of sex are called sluts or slags, which are generally considered negative, and men are called studs which is generally considered positive. A movement to reclaim the word slut as to mean a woman who is in control of her own sexuality seems an inherently positive thing to me, and could certainly be liberating.

Are you seriously telling me that a man who sleeps around with loads of women generally gets lauded for this by society at large? It may impress his friends, but I wouldn't have thought it would make most women have a favourable opinion of him (apart from the "sluts" of course). Would you call any of your friends "studs" if you knew that they slept with anything that moved?

 

[useless]

Are you seriously telling me that a man who sleeps around with loads of women generally gets lauded for this by society at large? It may impress his friends, but I wouldn't have thought it would make most women have a favourable opinion of him (apart from the "sluts" of course). Would you call any of your friends "studs" if you knew that they slept with anything that moved?

This is some serious naivety, women who sleep around get a much more negative reaction than their male counterparts.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Sigh. Once again not addressing what I actually said, only what you think I said.

I didn't say "men and women face exactly equal levels of negative criticism for sleeping around", I said "are you seriously telling me that you think that the response to men who sleep around is entirely positive from society at large?". As I said, I think the only people likely to view it positively would be the friends of the man in question. Everyone else is either not going to care at all, or will view it negatively (most women probably falling into the latter camp).

But in any case, until being called a slut is going to land you in prison or stop you getting a job then to me it falls firmly into the "first world problems" category. (I can already imagine what the retort to this is going to be and I'd be surprised if it didn't involve a hypothetical rape case and a biased judge.)

 

[warpus]

"nowhere near" ?
That's a pretty big hyperbole here.

My sister has two young daughters, one is two and a half, the other one is maybe 9 months old. The amount of gender role nonsense I see thrown at these little girls by the media, by the stores they shop at, and just by society in general - yes we are nowhere near a proper amount of it.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

My sister grew up in the 70s and 80s and is rather tomboyish and into sci-fi and chemistry and whatever else. The, presumably much more entrenched, gender role "bombardment" of 40 years ago didn't seem to do her any harm.

She now has a daughter of her own who, despite her best efforts, seems determined to prance around in fairy and princess costumes 90% of the time.

Anecdotal evidence FTW

 

[warpus]

I don't dispute that some people are able to ignore society's conditioning and not fall prey to its effects. I'm just saying that this conditioning exists in the first place, and that people have to deal with it.

 

[Samson]

Sigh. Once again not addressing what I actually said, only what you think I said.

I didn't say "men and women face exactly equal levels of negative criticism for sleeping around", I said "are you seriously telling me that you think that the response to men who sleep around is entirely positive from society at large?". As I said, I think the only people likely to view it positively would be the friends of the man in question. Everyone else is either not going to care at all, or will view it negatively (most women probably falling into the latter camp).

But in any case, until being called a slut is going to land you in prison or stop you getting a job then to me it falls firmly into the "first world problems" category. (I can already imagine what the retort to this is going to be and I'd be surprised if it didn't involve a hypothetical rape case and a biased judge.)

Generally positive was my words. I have to admit I am now older and most of my friends are in stable relationships, but when I was at college yes, my acquaintances who were male and slept with lots of people were looked on generally positively by the wider college society and the ones who were female were looked one generally negatively.

Sure, it is a 1st world problem when it societal attitudes rather than doing time. This does not make it not a problem.