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Harvard’s top astronomer estimates density of alien artifacts at a quadrillion inside the Oort cloud

Oumuamua was the subject of great excitement. It was the first object humans have observed travelling through the solar system from interstellar space. But it also became controversial: its shape, the way in which it approached us, and the way it moved away are not consistent with the behaviour of an asteroid or comet. For 11 days, the world’s telescopes searched for meaning from this strange visitor.
A year later, the debate about ‘Oumuamua intensified when one of the world’s foremost astronomers, Avi Loeb, submitted a paper to the Astrophysical Journal Letters. In it, Loeb and his colleague, Shmuel Bailey, argued that ‘Oumuamua’s strange properties indicated that it was “a new class of thin interstellar material, either produced naturally, through a yet unknown process […] or of an artificial origin”. Since then, Loeb has maintained that the most rational, conservative explanation is that ‘Oumuamua was produced by an alien civilisation.
Why does Loeb believe that ‘Oumuamua was alien technology?
First, unlike most things in space, ‘Oumuamua was not moving relative to what astronomers call the local standard of rest. Loeb calls this a “very special frame of reference, sort of the galactic parking lot”. It was not that ‘Oumuamua visited us but that the sun and its attendant planets, moving through space at 450,000 miles an hour, moved past it, the sun’s gravity bumping it as a ship’s wake disturbs a piece of flotsam.
But what really excites Loeb is what happened next. ‘Oumuamua “showed an excess push away from the sun, in addition to the sun’s gravitational force acting on it”. This happens with comets, which can speed up as the frozen material on them vaporises, causing them to swerve through space and producing a distinctive “tail”. Based on the change in its speed, Loeb says ‘Oumuamua would have had to lose “about a tenth of its mass. That’s quite a lot… we should have seen a very clear cloud of gas around it.”
But ‘Oumuamua had no tail. Close observation by the Spitzer Space Telescope saw nothing around it; it did not even radiate any heat. And it did not move erratically, as comets do, but accelerated smoothly away from the sun. The most rational explanation for this, Loeb says, is that it was pushed by sunlight itself.
‘Oumuamua’s shape is also distinct from almost everything else we have observed in space. Its brightness varied by a factor of ten every eight hours, suggesting “a very extreme geometry”. The most popular depiction of ‘Oumuamua is of a long, cigar-shaped rock, but research by Sergey Mashchenko, a computational astrophysicist at McMaster University in Canada, suggests a 91 per cent chance that it is disc-shaped.
Each of these factors is highly unlikely for any astronomical object. Taken together, Loeb says, they make ‘Oumuamua “a very rare object, if it’s coming from the same reservoir of objects [asteroids and comets] that we are familiar with”.
Pan-STARRS began searching for near-Earth objects in early 2014, and discovered ‘Oumuamua in under four years. Applying the Copernican principle, we should assume that we will see another object once every three or four years. But this frequency may change, because our ability to see them is about to increase.
This year, the telescope at the Vera C Rubin Observatory in Chile will take its first test pictures – astronomers call this “first light” – of the night sky. Even more powerful than Pan-STARRS, this will repeatedly photograph everything visible in the sky using a mirror more than eight metres across and the biggest digital camera in the world.
“We could then find one such object every month,” says Loeb, “because, you know, there should be many more out there.”
The question of how many ‘Oumuamuas are out there is the point at which the inferences become dizzying. If we see one every few years, Loeb infers that “there should be one in every volume roughly the size of the orbit of the Earth around the sun”. This is a vast area in human terms, but in the immensity of space, “it’s pretty small. So it means that there are plenty of them, a quadrillion of them, inside the Oort cloud. Inside the solar system. There are lots of them.”​
 
appreciate reporting the guy's insistence about disks and a billion upon on billions of them ... Now , there is this forum ı follow u-boot like lurking under the waves , where a recent discussion is the rods of god , titanium bunch to use gravity to fall from orbit , at like 1500 metres per second to maximise the balance between heat and blast and impact . Like a nuke without being a nuke . Except it can bring back like only 8 or 10% of the energy that takes it to the orbit . You know , astreoid mining , iron with a little ablative shield , like cheaper . ı was sure the tremors in the militaries of the globe was about the basic thing . Though the Royal Navy of the previous ages (because ı happen to love the Hornblower series by something something Forester and ı learned it there) would keep time by a sandglass , a bell for every half hour , two for the full hour . Quadrillions , pancakes , we will see them , right , yeah , really right ...
 
C. S. Forester. I had to look that up. Good stuff, those Hornblower tales.

Hey Hobbs, everyone - you ever seen this smilie I made?
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just noticed today that US , in a silly campaign to distract foreign reserach into unity engines / perpetual motion machines , has been investigating timespace , no silly me , spacetime modification weapons , so powerful that an hydrogen bomb would be a firecracker next to it ... You know , when the coup loving militarist elites of my country discovered neither Pentagon nor the lsraeli Lobby loved them anymore and preferred New Turkey to happen , just claimed to have some ... of this Erke Dönergeci , converter of stuff ; they are still laughed at some 14 or so years later .
 
Moon landing lies

Fifty years ago this week, Alan Shepard famously hit two golf balls on the Moon.
The first he shanked into a crater. The second he claimed to have smashed "miles and miles and miles".

"We can now fairly accurately determine that ball number one travelled 24 yards, and ball number two travelled 40 yards," says Cheshire-based Saunders, who has been working with the United States Golf Association (USGA) to mark the anniversary.
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Nuclear rockets proposed for mars exploration

It is using the nuclear thermal rocket concept, not half as cool as the salt-water rocket, but it is interesting that these ideas are getting serious consideration now. I do not get the safety bit though:

To protect people on the ground, NTP spacecraft would not lift-off directly from Earth, Sheehy adds. Instead, a regular chemical rocket would hoist it into orbit, and only then would it fire up its nuclear reactor.
Is it that much safer if it blows up by chemical rocket while off, rather than while it is on?

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There is also today a story about martian landslides may be caused by melting ice and salt under the surface, but the best bit is the pictures. I really like this one:

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The European Space Agency's Mars Express mission captured this image of the Korolev crater, more than 50 miles across and filled with water ice, near the north pole.

Spoiler More pics :
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Mars is far from a flat, barren landscape. Nili Patera is a region on Mars in which dunes and ripples are moving rapidly. HiRISE, onboard the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, continues to monitor this area every couple of months to see changes over seasonal and annual time scales.
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Curiosity took images on September 9, 2015, of Mount Sharp, a hematite-rich ridge, a plain full of clay minerals to create a composite and rounded buttes high in sulfate minerals. The changing mineralogy in these layers of Mount Sharp suggests a changing environment in early Mars, though all involve exposure to water billions of years ago.
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This image, combining data from two instruments aboard NASA's Mars Global Surveyor, depicts an orbital view of the north polar region of Mars. The ice-rich polar cap is 621 miles across, and the dark bands in are deep troughs. To the right of center, a large canyon, Chasma Boreale, almost bisects the ice cap. Chasma Boreale is about the length of the United States' famous Grand Canyon and up to 1.2 miles deep.
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Although Mars isn't geologically active like Earth, surface features have been heavily shaped by wind. Wind-carved features such as these, called yardangs, are common on the Red Planet. On the sand, the wind forms ripples and small dunes. In Mars' thin atmosphere, light is not scattered much, so the shadows cast by the yardangs are sharp and dark.
 
Is it that much safer if it blows up by chemical rocket while off, rather than while it is on?

You could make the argument that a chemical rocket is a proven technology and much more likely to reach orbit safely than an experimental design.

But I guess the real issue is that the nuclear engine will not have enough thrust to leave the ground and this is just marketed as a safety feature.
 
You could make the argument that a chemical rocket is a proven technology and much more likely to reach orbit safely than an experimental design.

But I guess the real issue is that the nuclear engine will not have enough thrust to leave the ground and this is just marketed as a safety feature.
I guess you could try that argument, but they do blow up quite often.
 
We wouldn't want any of that action with a nuke. Wish they'd do more research, though.

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I reckon what you would have to do is take up the fuel in a hard shell, that would survive an explosion. It could then be fitted into the reactor in space.
 
The fuel surviving would be the problem...
It must be possible. At the extreme, if you wrapped a few kgs of enriched uranium in 130 tonnes of titanium (saturn payload), would that survive a rocket explosion?
 
Glut in Small-Rocket Makers Expected

BY ANDY PASZTOR

Companies and entrepreneurs world-wide are working on more than 100 new small-rocket ventures, but industry officials anticipate a shakeout may leave just a handful of survivors.

Some commercial boosters already have blasted satellites into space, supported by deep pockets and prominent backers such as Lockheed Martin Corp. and British entrepreneur Richard Branson. Others are testing launchers using previous seed money and sometimes shoestring budgets. Still more projects in early development could hit a dead end, officials predict, because of potential funding shortfalls.

All competitors, though, confront the same market reality. Burgeoning corporate, civilian and military uses of compact satellites weighing under a ton—ranging from toaster-size models to versions resembling refrigerators— won’t generate enough demand to support the current glut of small launchers.

“Could the industry support 100 new launch companies? Of course not,” said Chuck Beames, chairman of small-satellite maker York Space Systems LLC and a former Pentagon space official who also chairs a trade association advocating for small spacecraft. He said a more realistic number would be four healthy small-rocket operators and several established companies flying larger commercial boosters.

The latter group, primarily targeting a different market segment of huge satellites headed into higher orbits, include Elon Musk’s SpaceX, Europe’s Arianespace SA and Blue Origin Federation LLC, run by Amazon.com Chief Executive Jeff Bezos. United Launch Alliance, a joint venture between Boeing Co. and Lockheed Martin, specializes in carrying large Pentagon satellites. For all of them, transporting small satellites is a secondary goal.

Large satellites go more than 22,000 miles above the Earth, remaining fixed above the same point on the globe. They are designed for spy and surveillance missions; civil and military communications; and broadcasting video signals. Some cost many hundreds of millions of dollars apiece.

The new generation of small satellites zip around the Earth at altitudes measured in hundreds of miles, but they often carry advanced sensors able to perform functions done by larger versions. They are proliferating for applications including Earth observation, communications, gathering climate-change data and tracking hostile missiles. Latest-generation compact satellites can cost between tens of thousands of dollars to many millions.

The small-rocket sector is attracting more attention because forecasters envision a boom in production. Estimates peg the number of such satellites that reached orbit last year at 1,200, with more than 10,000 expected over the next decade. In comparison, about 400 small commercial satellites launched between 2015 and 2018, consulting firm Frost & Sullivan says.

Nearly half the $15.7 billion in venture capital invested in commercial space last year went to a range of launcher-related developments, estimates say, though the segment produces a sliver of total industry revenue.


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A Rocket Lab launch site in Mahia, New Zealand, in 2018. KIERAN FANNING/ROCKET LAB/AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE/GETTY IMAGES
 

the quote should lead to some thread about aliens , involved human planted monoliths . With the New Turkey one being a Goverment op . The post provides a summary of what they will supposedly do . The lSS comes with two options it seems , scientific work for 30 days and 10 as a space tourist , they have already fallen from 30 to 10 in a single . Have a budget of 5 milyon dollars while Russians charge one 80 millions to orbit and lSS , according to reports . ı would almost laugh at the presenter in the Voice of Russia sticking in the recent student demonstrations slogan during the report ... On a day when we like learned mugs were first brought to this country by A-K-P , when the Leftists naturally present it as if glasses made of , you know , glass . Adds to fridges and cars which didn't exist in this country before 2002 . ı don't know why ı remember my niece and nephew using a mug each , different colours , bought by my late father , so that they could use when visiting , ı don't know in late 90s ...

but enough ranting ... ? ... Turns out the Emirates made it to Mars on the day of announcement . With a minister in the palace cabinet telling the country that it doesn't count when the satellite or probe is bought from another country . You know , some competition between Arab Sheiks , like ı would even prefer it was an electioneering .

edit : Uh , really ? New Turkey is Qatar's best pal and them two of London's best pals fell on each other on would get the most from thedestruction of Syria , unless one does not live in an alternative universe ...
 
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Marte surface makes some nice photos for sure. Take as much as possible before it gets totally ruined.

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