The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Broken_Erika]

Dallas officer fired for killing innocent man in his own apartment

A Dallas police officer who fatally shot a black man inside his own flat, saying she confused it for her own home, has been fired.

Amber Guyger "engaged in adverse conduct when she was arrested for manslaughter", police said in a press release on Monday.

Botham Shem Jean died on 6 September, after Ms Guyger entered his home in the building where they both lived.

Ms Guyger, 30, is currently out on bail, pending a criminal trial.

• Officer charged over 'wrong flat' killing
• Police 'trying to smear' shooting victim

Dallas Police Chief U Renee Hall terminated her employment during a hearing on Monday, police said, adding that she has the right to appeal.

She had been on administrative leave, as activists called for her immediate firing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45632941

 

[Farm Boy]

That's just how a debate works.

Forensics drool, rhetoricians rule!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Scummers gotta scum amirite?

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, you have to build society off of something sturdier than an ivory tower. So there's that.

I don't know. I'm kinda ambivalent(to the situation you were responding to) when "that's the best answer on the internet ever" doesn't even change the tone or use of the exact quote being challenged. I mean, if the side is decided and nothing can change it, it feels like work, and one gets compensated for work. Rhetoric can be personal growth, it's not bespoke. /toometa

 

[Sommerswerd]

"Society" is built on grains, beans, potatoes, rice, corn and other carby'licious crops, and animals that eat the cheapest feed we can give them... always has been and maybe always will be. You don't need "something sturdy" to build a society, you need something people can eat. "Society" is controlled from the Ivory (Marble/Stone/Steel/Glass) tower... always has been and maybe always will be, because Control, on the other hand... takes a big damn scary impressive building

And yes talking about things doesn't always have to be "on the clock" sometimes it can be pals bouncing ideas off each other and having a virtual beer together to just learn things and have good conversation.

 

[Farm Boy]

Oh I don't know. I don't think you get to grow the grains, or beans, or potatoes, or rice, or corn, nor do you craft the projectiles and fences to get the game, unless you can achieve an accord. And an accord is built off the exchange of ideas. Don't sell the pillars short!

 

[Sommerswerd]

Yay!

 

[hobbsyoyo]

I was a teenager when I realized that it was safer and more practical to think of myself as a wolf or alligator, or rattlesnake, or something like that... not that I should behave that way, mind you, but to realize that while I was just a regular human, some people I encountered would not see me that way, they would look at me and see a dangerous terrifying creature.

So then when the elevator door opened and the woman entering shrieked in terror to see me standing there... I was not as hurt or disturbed or surprised... Of course she reacted that way... how would you expect someone to react if the elevator door opened and there was a crocodile inside? I leaned to expect that kind of reaction from some people. When the police get called on me for walking around in my own yard or sitting in my car in my own neighborhood... Of course someone called the police... what would you expect people to do if they saw a lion walking around in their neighborhood? When the police approached me with their hands on their guns or their guns drawn, I expect that... What would you expect them to do when approaching a grizzly bear?

"OH MY GOD! YOU SCARED ME!"
"Yes I know"
But I didn't actually scare you...you're just afraid of "tigers"

I think this is one of the saddest things I've ever read on here and I'm sorry our fellow citizens make you feel like this.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Um, why is this a thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_Firearms_AF2011A1

 

[rah]

The same reason Tim Allen used to say MORE POWER.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Um, why is this a thing?

In the land where heroic good guys with a gun are confronting the evil doers the level of paranoia is so high that the stopping power of a single bullet may not be sufficient to quell their fears. As @Sommerswerd points out, he needed to deal with people reacting to him as if he were a wolf, or a rattlesnake, but in the modern fear inflated world some people think of him more like a charging rhinoceros, or raging bull elephant.

 

[Farm Boy]

Um, why is this a thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_Firearms_AF2011A1

It's for playing. But really, you'd have to ask the Italians for a definitive, they made 'em.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

It's for playing. But really, you'd have to ask the Italians for a definitive, they made 'em.

They say what I said, only they are serious. Stopping power, for when one .45 hollow point slug at a time just might not be enough.

 

[EgonSpengler]

They say what I said, only they are serious. Stopping power, for when one .45 hollow point slug at a time just might not be enough.

iirc, the Newcomers in Alien Nation had two hearts. I think Klingons do, too.

 

[Sommerswerd]

In the land where heroic good guys with a gun are confronting the evil doers the level of paranoia is so high that the stopping power of a single bullet may not be sufficient to quell their fears. As @Sommerswerd points out, he needed to deal with people reacting to him as if he were a wolf, or a rattlesnake, but in the modern fear inflated world some people think of him more like a charging rhinoceros, or raging bull elephant.

At this point in my life, I have a perfectly fine justification for wearing a suit/shirt and tie everyday... Imagine a polar bear with a shirt, pants and tie on... way less threatening right? Instead of thinking OMG wherearemyhollowpointbullets?!?... they're thinking... Oh how nice, that bear must be domesticated/part of some show, I'm sure he's quite tame

However... my sons have no such justification to dress in suits and ties... so its back to "OMG A TIGER!!!" for them

 

[Farm Boy]

That sounds like a pretty good reason that doesn't need separately justified.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Meanwhile, in my former hometown, another 'good guy with a gun' is being celebrated for killing a robbery suspect. Two men entered an internet cafe at 12:45 AM and attempted to rob it. One was shot and killed by the security guard and the other fled. Responses are immediate, and vehement.

The 'crime is running rampant, arm yourselves!' crowd is of course pointing to this as a prime example of how random violence can turn up anywhere, at any time.

The 'all suspected criminals should be shot without trial' crowd is rallying to the heroic security guard at a frenetic pace, mixed indiscriminately with the 'they were black so a trial is certainly not necessary' crowd.

So, here are the interesting things to know:

There was no randomness here. The "internet cafe" that is open all night is actually an off book casino.

The "security guard" may or may not have an actual guard card allowing him to be officially employed as an armed security guard. If he does then he violated the terms of issue by accepting employment in a criminal enterprise. It is far more likely that he is an unlicensed hired thug.

Shooting all suspects without trial would have left the entire premises without any sign of life, since everyone there was either an operator or a patron of an illegal enterprise.

There is a very high probability that EVERYONE involved; operators, patrons, "security guard" and "robbers" are all the same race.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

At this point in my life, I have a perfectly fine justification for wearing a suit/shirt and tie everyday... Imagine a polar bear with a shirt, pants and tie on... way less threatening right? Instead of thinking OMG wherearemyhollowpointbullets?!?... they're thinking... Oh how nice, that bear must be domesticated/part of some show, I'm sure he's quite tame

However... my sons have no such justification to dress in suits and ties... so its back to "OMG A TIGER!!!" for them

C'mon man. Everyone knows that black men only wear suit jackets to hide a shoulder rig on their way to a crime scene.

 

[rah]

C'mon man. Almost every VP of personnel at large companies wears a suit. Or is female and then wears a pants suit.

 

[Commodore]

Um, why is this a thing?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arsenal_Firearms_AF2011A1

Meh, it's just a gimmick. A collector's item that someone with too much disposable income and a love for exotic, weird, or rare firearms will buy just to say they have it.