Just stop. I find it much more insulting when people who attack everything I stand for turn around and pretend to be friendly with me. The country is dividing and you and I are not on the same side of that divide. Best if we both remain honest with each other about that fact.
I've said sooooo many times that I see value in the 2nd and why. "The country is dividing"? SMFH If you need me to be a bogeyman for you... fine whateves I was born a bogeyman, I've gotten used to it. And I'm glad nunchucks arent banned cause I have them... if that wasn't already clear.
Regardless of what you say... Ohio State should have been in the playoff, as evidenced by these fiasco playoff games.
Just stop. I find it much more insulting when people who attack everything I stand for turn around and pretend to be friendly with me. The country is dividing and you and I are not on the same side of that divide. Best if we both remain honest with each other about that fact.
That's just it, they aren't banned anymore as the ban was declared to be a violation of the 2nd Amendment. The only state that is defiantly keeping their nunchuck ban in place is Maryland, but with the ruling that such a ban is unconstitutional, all it will take is one legal challenge and that ban goes bye-bye. Hopefully this ruling can also be used to start chipping away at gun laws that ban certain types of firearms as well.
No its not. You and your fellow zealots have convinced yourselves through social media that the nation is headed to this civil war you want so badly. Frankly 60% couldn't even be bothered. You need to snap out of your anger, its completely unjustified. Furthermore whenever someone across a political spectrum tries to find common ground and interests, to immediately dehumanize him by insisting that your common interests mean nothing is about the ugliest thing I've seen on this forum.
No one is trying to ban your guns except a few really liberal cities who are being over ruled at almost every turn.
Just stop. I find it much more insulting when people who attack everything I stand for turn around and pretend to be friendly with me. The country is dividing and you and I are not on the same side of that divide. Best if we both remain honest with each other about that fact.
If the problem is that the country is divided, then the simple solution is for the gun nuts to stop dividing it. Basically your argument boils down to "we have to have guns to protect ourselves from the consequences of our insisting that we have guns!"
No its not. You and your fellow zealots have convinced yourselves through social media that the nation is headed to this civil war you want so badly. Frankly 60% couldn't even be bothered. You need to snap out of your anger, its completely unjustified. Furthermore whenever someone across a political spectrum tries to find common ground and interests, to immediately dehumanize him by insisting that your common interests mean nothing is about the ugliest thing I've seen on this forum.
To be fair Sommerswerd kinda came across as patronizing with the ''I like you BUT' in the midst of a heated discussion that was becoming personal on both ends so I wouldn't peg it as trying to find common ground, rather than using it to take some high ground. Of course Commodore entrenching in the right v left ''battleground' and firmly taking a side is no more productive either.
To be fair Sommerswerd kinda came across as patronizing with the ''I like you BUT' in the midst of a heated discussion that was becoming personal on both ends so I wouldn't peg it as trying to find common ground, rather than using it to take some high ground. Of course Commodore entrenching in the right v left ''battleground' and firmly taking a side is no more productive either.
Yea and my point is that being sanctimonious, condescending, arrogant, repugnant, trite, contrarian, and so on is all okay. Drawing lines in the sand and saying you are my enemy is not. All three of us are Americans and we are not each other's enemies. As much as I loath Trump he is not my existential enemy. Republicans won and have outplay democrats politically for quite some time, I am working to help end that cycle because I believe it has lead the nation down a dangerous path. I do not believe we've reached the point where they are my enemies though. It has become common for right wingers to frame their narrative in this way and that is probably why they commit so much terrorism. @Commodore 's wording indicates he is ready to be violent.
Why must we ban guns or limit guns beyond normal common sense means. Background checks good, mental health checks good, person to person sales go through FFL dealers good. Why the constant insistence that we ban this gun or that type of gun etc? Instead of focusing on taking this or that simply reform the manner in which they are procured. The left and the right could find alot more common ground if the conversation were approached in this manner as opposed to the we need to ban this or that frame. Also noting that the current method for gun control always falls back to some level of confiscation or banning, frame the conversation better and you might get somewhere.
Why must we ban guns or limit guns beyond normal common sense means. Background checks good, mental health checks good, person to person sales go through FFL dealers good. Why the constant insistence that we ban this gun or that type of gun etc? Instead of focusing on taking this or that simply reform the manner in which they are procured. The left and the right could find alot more common ground if the conversation were approached in this manner as opposed to the we need to ban this or that frame. Also noting that the current method for gun control always falls back to some level of confiscation or banning, frame the conversation better and you might get somewhere.
Sure there is, but it will take a consistent effort by the democratic party as a whole to stop any members from demanding banning or confiscation. As long as you have lone democrats in California or New York demanding a full ban on weapons the right will always fall back to paint the entire party as anti-gun. When democrats can say with one voice, you can keep your guns but we want mental health checks and more intense background checks you will finally see change. Until that is achieved you will not see any meaningful reform.
Sure there is, but it will take a consistent effort by the democratic party as a whole to stop any members from demanding banning or confiscation. As long as you have lone democrats in California or New York demanding a full ban on weapons the right will always fall back to paint the entire party as anti-gun. When democrats can say with one voice, you can keep your guns but we want mental health checks and more intense background checks you will finally see change. Until that is achieved you will not see any meaningful reform.
Why must we ban guns or limit guns beyond normal common sense means. Background checks good, mental health checks good, person to person sales go through FFL dealers good. Why the constant insistence that we ban this gun or that type of gun etc? Instead of focusing on taking this or that simply reform the manner in which they are procured. The left and the right could find alot more common ground if the conversation were approached in this manner as opposed to the we need to ban this or that frame. Also noting that the current method for gun control always falls back to some level of confiscation or banning, frame the conversation better and you might get somewhere.
Yea I want the background checks and ban on high capacity high velocity rounds.
7 rounds per clip, limits on actual velocity of rounds sold otc or online. Then you can have whatever rifle you want and can rig them if civil war actually does break out.
Gotta say I'm a pretty big fan of the juxtaposition of dark "the country is divided and everyone must pick a side" muttering and the rankest "trying to take our guns" paranoia. Very healthy. Normal people. Stable country. Exactly the mindset one wants from people with deadly weapons.
Gotta say I'm a pretty big fan of the juxtaposition of dark "the country is divided and everyone must pick a side" muttering and the rankest "trying to take our guns" paranoia. Very healthy. Normal people. Stable country. Exactly the mindset one wants from people with deadly weapons.
30 years of media whipping them up into a frenzy has accomplished much! Social media sped this up quite a bit too. Nothing can be done about that part of this though, like nuclear weapons this is a reality humans have to learn to live with and adjust to rationally. Here is to hoping it doesn't lead to using nuclear weapons on each other.
Gotta say I'm a pretty big fan of the juxtaposition of dark "the country is divided and everyone must pick a side" muttering and the rankest "trying to take our guns" paranoia. Very healthy. Normal people. Stable country. Exactly the mindset one wants from people with deadly weapons.
Incidentally, this is why I think "take all the guns and kill anyone who resists" would be a rather useful way to get rid of a lot of dangerous fascists.
Just stop. I find it much more insulting when people who attack everything I stand for turn around and pretend to be friendly with me. The country is dividing and you and I are not on the same side of that divide. Best if we both remain honest with each other about that fact.
Don't you need to be a US citizen to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights? It's manifestly not a human right if what it says on your passport actually determines your rights.
No. Any legal resident of the US, whether they are a citizen or not, is afforded all the protections and rights of the Constitution. The only exception to that being the right to vote, which is not extended to legal residents that are not citizens.
Well we can't exactly force other countries to abide by our Constitution, now can we? And while the US Constitution only applies to legal residents of the US, the Bill of Rights contained within it is just the codification of the general philosophy that drove our war for independence. Part of that philosophy being that every human being has a natural (or God-given if you are the religious type) right to defend themselves and their property in any way they see fit. That philosophy is also why a lot of Americans, even ones that support gun control, look down on "duty to retreat" laws that exist in some states and Europe. The idea that one has a legal obligation to retreat from an attacker just seems outright ridiculous to a lot of Americans.
Don't you need to be a US citizen to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights? It's manifestly not a human right if what it says on your passport actually determines your rights.
Incidentally, this is why I think "take all the guns and kill anyone who resists" would be a rather useful way to get rid of a lot of dangerous fascists.
Incidentally, this is why I think "take all the guns and kill anyone who resists" would be a rather useful way to get rid of a lot of dangerous fascists.
I have certainly never tried to conceal the fact that I regard your views on guns as those of a bloodthirsty maniac.
That's actually a good thing though. While the situation with Bundy was a clear case of him violating a just law, having an armed citizenry that makes the government hesitant to enforce their laws can act as a defense against unjust laws. Sure, reducing the government's ability to enforce laws overall can make society more dangerous, but I subscribe to Thomas Jefferson's way of thinking on the matter:
It's called democracy. You campaign, gain support to overthrow laws you disagree with.
It's the price of living in society. At the moment a lot of people don't agree with the way you can buy assault rifles. So what's their play according to you? Get armed to the teeth to overthrow people being able to get armed to the teeth? But then those who want to buy assault rifles would oppose that how? Oh yeah. Arm themselves to the teeth. You can see where this is going right?
In a democracy civilised discourse is the means to campaign for change, not the threat of weapons. Weapons don't state logical arguments, they only project force when someone is willing to use it. It has no reasoning behind it. And by the way, that is also where your Tienanmen Square strawman fails.
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If you need me to be a bogeyman for you... fine whateves I was born a bogeyman, I've gotten used to it. And I'm glad nunchucks arent banned cause I have them... if that wasn't already clear.
