The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Farm Boy]

Depends on if you're doing it in public. The nature of the tool is fundamentally different as is the nature of possession vs practice.

 

[Glassfan]

While I can agree to that, I will point out that not every state requires Gun safety courses or pay fees. I don't know of any state that doesn't require a test for driving.

I don't entirely disagree with you. Firearms should be regulated. But because some states and many municipalities limit or restrict ownership, we fight over it.

 

[Commodore]

I do find it hilarious that he points to a Supreme Court ruling to validate his rights but when asked what he would do if the Supreme Court ruled against said rights, that he'd take up arms to resist it

Well because the former is a ruling consistent with the Constitution while the latter is a ruling in contradiction to the Constitution. The Founders were very clear what the people are supposed to do when the government starts deciding the Constitution doesn't matter anymore.

Also, it's not "my rights". They are your rights too, whether you want them or not.

In Ohio, you must take a Gun Safety course (lecture and range time) and pass it. You must pay several fees and pass at least two criminal background checks.

No you don't. I live in Ohio and I didn't have to take a course. All I did was walk into the gun shop (West Chester Firearms, a fine establishment), fill out my 4473 and give them my driver's license, and after the 20 minutes it took him to run my background, I walked out of there with my Ruger AR556.

 

[rah]

True, farm kids can drive on farmland well before they're of age.

 

[rah]

Well because the former is a ruling consistent with the Constitution while the latter is a ruling in contradiction to the Constitution. The Founders were very clear what the people are supposed to do when the government starts deciding the Constitution doesn't matter anymore.

Code for it's only valid if I agree with it. You're not fooling anyone. The SC is more qualified to rule on the constitutionality of a law then you are.

 

[Farm Boy]

True, farm kids can drive on farmland well before they're of age.

Non farm kids too. Not always farmland. Some of those two stroke bikes are terrifically capable.

 

[Commodore]

The SC is more qualified to rule on the constitutionality of a law then you are.

I'll remember this the next time you screech about a Supreme Court ruling you disagree with. Also it's "than" not "then"

If we all operated on your logic "separate but equal" would still be a thing. My point being that the Supreme Court gets it wrong enough that you can't really say they are more qualified to judge Constitutionality than the average citizen. So I compare their rulings to the actual text of the Constitution. If their ruling is consistent with the text, then it's a Constitutional ruling, if not then it's unconstitutional.

 

[Lexicus]

If we all operated on your logic "separate but equal" would still be a thing.

You do realize that "separate but equal" was later overturned by....another Supreme Court decision? So actually separate but equal is gone because we all operate on rah's logic.

If we all operated on your logic "separate but equal" would still be a thing. My point being that the Supreme Court gets it wrong enough that you can't really say they are more qualified to judge Constitutionality than the average citizen. So I compare their rulings to the actual text of the Constitution. If their ruling is consistent with the text, then it's a Constitutional ruling, if not then it's unconstitutional.

Maybe you can tell me where in the text of the Constitution it says that Supreme Court rulings can be appealed to you? I must have missed the part where the Constitution establishes Commodore as a higher court than the Supreme Court and empowers him to rule on the constitutionality of Supreme Court rulings.

 

[Glassfan]

No you don't. I live in Ohio and I didn't have to take a course. All I did was walk into the gun shop (West Chester Firearms, a fine establishment), fill out my 4473 and give them my driver's license, and after the 20 minutes it took him to run my background, I walked out of there with my Ruger AR556.

I was referring to getting the CCL licence, not buying a firearm.To get a driver's licence you only need to take the tests.

I would just interject here that It is not only the United States Constitution but also the various State Constitutions that guarantee the Right to Bear Arms.

 

[rah]

I'll remember this the next time you screech about a Supreme Court ruling you disagree with.

Please point to any post where I have done that. Good luck. I'm sure I'll disagree with a future ruling, but you can bet that when I do, I won't go around screeching about it or threaten to take up arms and kill someone over it. (which you have done)

If you really respect the constitution it requires that you accept the institution created to interpret it.

 

[Berzerker]

This is such an utterly ridiculous statement it is hard to believe you mean it seriously. Cars are regulated far more heavily than firearms. FIrearms are in fact virtually unregulated in this country.

Many places wont let people carry guns in public.

 

[rah]

Oh, the horror. Probably less than 1% of the US.

 

[Berzerker]

is that true for cars?

 

[rah]

There are probably more places you can't take a car vs. can't take a gun.

 

[Farm Boy]

Spoiler Those cravings :

 

[Berzerker]

Other than the obvious physical limitations of driving a car I cant think of (m)any places I can take a gun and not a car

 

[Glassfan]

Oh, the horror. Probably less than 1% of the US.

There are probably more places you can't take a car vs. can't take a gun.

Very wrong. Many Cities virtually outlaw guns - notably Chicago (Murder City) and New York. And even in Red states there are extreme restrictions.

Here in Ohio, you may not carry a Firearm into a police station, jail or prison; a courthouse, government building or Federal building; a place of worship, an airport, a hospital, an institution for the mentally ill; any school - day care, primary, secondary school or college or university, or any building posting a "No Guns" sign (at the discretion of the owner).

You may drink while remaining below the legal limit to drive a car. But it is a felony to drink and carry a firearm. Zero alcohol tolerance for concealed carry.

 

[rah]

Here in Ohio, you may not carry a Firearm into a police station, jail or prison; a courthouse, government building or Federal building; a place of worship, an airport, a hospital, an institution for the mentally ill; any school - day care, primary, secondary school or college or university, or any building posting a "No Guns" sign (at the discretion of the owner).

No cars either. And if you think you can't carry a gun in Chicago, you're really not informed.

 

[Glassfan]

No cars either. And if you think you can't carry a gun in Chicago, you're really not informed.

I thought I was clear. You can drink and drive if you remain below the legal limit. You are forbidden to drink and carry - no level of alcohol whatsoever.. And again, I said some cities virtually outlaw gun carry. Laws are very strict in Chicago, it's difficult to get a conceal carry license there. It's not difficult to drive a car or get a driver's license.

Here in Ohio, it's also difficult to get a CCL in the big cities - Cleveland, Columbus, etc. They "lose" your application. One has to apply in the adjacent counties.

 

[rah]

I was clear, you can't drive a car in any of those places and it's not difficult to carry a gun in Chicago.
The over 500 people already shot this year in Chicago will verify that. (those still alive anyway)
That's almost 5 a day. And a lot of those days were so cold that not many ventured outside unless they had to.

How many people have been convicted of drinking while driving and carrying this year? I'll bet less than the average number of people shot in Chicago the last 10 years.
It really doesn't matter how the laws are if they aren't enforced.
Heck, Commodore was openly laughing when you mentioned the Ohio regulation.