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The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Lemon Merchant, Apr 2, 2018.

  1. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    The former.

    There are a lot of deaths that apparently aren't enough to warrant your attention too, given that you're more than willing to post on gun control many times but this entire subforum doesn't even have a recent thread on other sources of "innocent" death that are more common/lethal. I'm willing to be honest about this, and would change my stance roughly instantly if we instead had like 20,000 kids dying to accidental shootings yearly or something.

    It's public use where cars are more regulated than guns though, and considering death rates between the two it makes sense that cars are more regulated.

    When it comes to "stuff you're allowed to keep on private property", guns are more regulated as there is a fairly long list of stuff you aren't even allowed to own, regardless of usage or context. Non-street legal cars are generally legal to own in contrast.
     
  2. rah

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    I mostly agree. If I buy a gun and just keep it at the range under lock and key and just fire it there, very little regulation is probably required.
    But I'll bet that most guns don't stay COMPLETELY at home. But if I shoot on my land and there's a possibility that the bullet might leave my property, then I consider it not complete at home.

    And for the record, almost 40,000 gun deaths a year should warrant attention.
     
  3. TheMeInTeam

    TheMeInTeam Top Logic

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    If you want to make statements for the record, they should not be openly disingenuous.
     
  4. cardgame

    cardgame Obsessively Opposed to the Typical

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    What's your definition of private and public land? Aside from being in my car while transported, my gun would qualify for that. It's been to a few private homes and a few private gun ranges. When I think public land, I think school zones and national parks. Vast majority of hunting is done on private land too, although that may depend on area.
     
  5. rah

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    Don't guns kill more in the US than cars? It's really close. You seem to claim that gun deaths are insignificant vs. others methods like knives. Which is it? If cars and guns are almost the same, then regulating them should be of similar concern. And for the record, I doubt there's ever been a person killed sitting in their living room from a knife used in an attack in front of their house. So yeah, they should be regulated more.



    And if you're taking a gun in car to transport it, by definition you're taking it out in public. Now if was transported in a locked box, I'd have to reconsider.
     
  6. Commodore

    Commodore Technology of Peace

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    Not really because, again, this is a Constitutional right we are talking about here. And the right that is to "not be infringed" isn't just the right to keep arms, but to keep and bear arms. Bearing arms means being able to carry them openly in public.
     
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  7. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy I swear..

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    I believe he's already specified anyplace where the shot or bullet, if fired with the wind up at a 45 degree angle has a possibility of crossing any public right of way counts as "out in public." So, Commerce Clause Public. As in, always public no matter what, or extremely nearly, and exceptions can always be made. :p
     
  8. rah

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    The first amendment is limited for public safety, so there is precedence to regulate arms also for the same reason.
    But then even if they rule such, you're on record saying you will take up arms and kill people, so obviously reason isn't your bag.
     
  9. Berzerker

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    Did the states and localities ever regulate guns on public or private land prior to the civil war amendment extending (some of) the Bill of Rights to the states?
     
  10. cardgame

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    The car is a locked box :mischief:
     
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  11. rah

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    If everyone in the car can access it, I don't consider it one.
     
  12. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    That must be why there is such a shortage of stolen car stereos.
     
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  13. Glassfan

    Glassfan Mostly harmless

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    When traveling through Blue States, I follow the Federal laws on firearms transport. The weapon must be located in an area of the vehicle inaccessible to driver or passengers without stopping and getting out of the car (in practice, the trunk). The weapon must be unloaded, with no ammunition withing reach. I typically don't stop but drive straight through. Generally, in Red States you can have a loaded firearm in your vehicle or on your person and usually falls under Castle Doctrine. Though obviously there are minor differences between the various State laws. Ohio is an open carry state, as everyone saw during the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in 2016.
     
  14. Commodore

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    I honestly don't know. I'm not really all that familiar with state laws prior to the Civil War. You've definitely given me something interesting to research.

    Yeah, your 1st Amendment rights are curtailed when the exercising of them would violate the rights of others. We already have that with 2nd Amendment rights as well with our various laws against murder and violent assault. Merely carrying a firearm in public does not violate anyone else's rights so there really is no justification to have regulations that limit one's ability to carry a firearm in public.
     
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    Just saying the courts have the right to interpret that. Your opinion is not the law of the land.
     
  16. Commodore

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    Actually...it kinda is because I base my opinions off of what the Constitution and the Supreme Court have to say on the matter and they are the law of the land.
     
  17. rah

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    And the Supreme Court can change that. That was my point. Or the people can modify the constitution. If that happens, will you still consider it the law of the land and follow it?
     
  18. Farm Boy

    Farm Boy I swear..

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    Wondering if you're going to have to sigh with predictable regret after advocating Ruby Ridging him or something?
     
  19. rah

    rah Warlord Supporter

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    Nah, more likely laugh
     
  20. Farm Boy

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    Dark.
     

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