The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

[Lexicus]

but the widow who gets a booth at a gun show to get rid of her late husband's guns to help cover the cost of his death and pay the bills doesn't have to do a background check on you.

And if she sells his arsenal to a psychopath who then uses it to murder a dozen schoolchildren, that's just the price of freedom (thoughts and prayers)

 

[Commodore]

How do you feel about Mexico 'letting' people cross the border? Should the pro-gun state have any obligation to help stem the illegal flow?

Yes because that is a national security issue from an external source that affects all states as a whole. Having all states chip in to solve the issue falls in line with the whole "common defense" reasoning for forming a federal republic in the first place instead of each state becoming its own fully autonomous nation after winning independence.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Maybe making life a little easier/more profitable for someone who is "looking to get rid of a gun" shouldn't be the topmost priority?

 

[El_Machinae]

Yes because that is a national security issue from an external source that affects all states as a whole. Having all states chip in to solve the issue falls in line with the whole "common defense" reasoning for forming a federal republic in the first place instead of each state becoming its own fully autonomous nation after winning independence.

Sorry, I mean 'should the pro-gun state help stem the tide of illegal guns into their neighbor?'. The pro-gun state is analogous to Mexico in my example

 

[Commodore]

Sorry, I mean 'should the pro-gun state help stem the tide of illegal guns into their neighbor?'. The pro-gun state is analogous to Mexico in my example

Yes. For a federal republic to work, each state has to respect the legal proceedings and laws of all the other member states.

 

[El_Machinae]

How can a pro-gun state help stop the flow of illegal guns into another state, in your model?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Secession?

 

[Commodore]

How can a pro-gun state help stop the flow of illegal guns into another state, in your model?

Don't know. My guess is it would probably involve cooperation between law enforcement agencies in those states. Also laws that prohibit the sale of firearms to non-residents of the state would have to be more strictly enforced.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Also laws that prohibit the sale of firearms

What??? You support that? Oooooh I'm tellin' on you... you gonna lose your 2nd Amendment card for sure this time

 

[Commodore]

What??? You support that? Oooooh I'm tellin' on you... you gonna lose your 2nd Amendment card for sure this time

I'm not against laws that make sense. Plus, such laws don't infringe on anyone's 2nd amendment rights since all you have to do to buy a gun is go home.

 

[Sommerswerd]

I'm not against laws that make sense. Plus, such laws don't infringe on anyone's 2nd amendment rights since all you have to do to buy a gun is go home.

What if "home" is some state that won't let me buy a gun because I'm an undesirable for some reason?... like because I'm a felon for example.. Or what if I'm on an extended camping vacation with my family in an RV, thousands of miles from "home" and I realize there's some weird person stalking us, following us around? I shouldn't be able to stop at a local gun store and pick something up to defend my family? I'd have to end our vacation and drive 2000 miles back home to get a gun?

 

[Commodore]

What if "home" is some state that won't let me buy a gun because I'm an undesirable for some reason?... like because I'm a felon for example.. Or what if I'm on an extended camping vacation with my family in an RV, thousands of miles from "home" and I realize there's some weird person stalking us, following us around? I shouldn't be able to stop at a local gun store and pick something up to defend my family? I'd have to end our vacation and drive 2000 miles back home to get a gun?

Well in the first case you could simply move to a state that will allow you to purchase a gun or start a political campaign in your state to change the laws. In the second case, I would say maybe you should have thought about buying a gun before the moment in which you felt you had an immediate need for one.

Which is something a lot of pro-gun people say by the way. The general idea being that you should buy a gun even if you don't think you need one, because you never know when you are going to need one.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Well in the first case you could simply move to a state that will allow you to purchase a gun or start a political campaign in your state to change the laws. In the second case, I would say maybe you should have thought about buying a gun before the moment in which you felt you had an immediate need for one.

Which is something a lot of pro-gun people say by the way. The general idea being that you should buy a gun even if you don't think you need one, because you never know when you are going to need one.

Isn't that similar to saying that if you don't like the gun regulations in this country you should just move to another country?

 

[Commodore]

Isn't that similar to saying that if you don't like the gun regulations in this country you should just move to another country?

No because moving from, say, California to Texas is a lot more feasible than moving from the US to another country. Mostly because you don't have to apply for citizenship or any other kind of legal resident status to move from one state to another.

 

[Sommerswerd]

No because moving from, say, California to Texas is a lot more feasible than moving from the US to another country. Mostly because you don't have to apply for citizenship or any other kind of legal resident status to move from one state to another.

Well if any of that were true there would be no such thing as an "immigration problem" but that's another issue... Returning to the topic, this:

The general idea being that you should buy a gun even if you don't think you need one, because you never know when you are going to need one.

sounds a lot like an excellent advertisement for basically any product imaginable... "The general idea being that you should buy an iphone even if you don't think you need one, because you never know when you are going to need one."... or "Sony 70 inch flatscreen TV" or "box of cheerios" or "30 pack of Bud Light" or, whatever... its just empty rhetoric that applies literally to every single product. Its an ad, a commercial, nothing more.

 

[El_Machinae]

No because moving from, say, California to Texas is a lot more feasible than moving from the US to another country. Mostly because you don't have to apply for citizenship or any other kind of legal resident status to move from one state to another.

It's the point I make when I insist that income taxes are voluntary, nearly everyone is capable of moving out of their country before they're legally required to pay them.

But, I think your point doesn't fall for the 'you can move to a different country' argument, because in the US the 2A is the law of the land. If that changed, THEN the 'you can always move' jibe can work.

 

[Farm Boy]

Then you break the law.

 

[Lexicus]

eyyy @Commodore

 

[Rashiminos]

He keeps forgetting that you need the win the rebellion at the table before you shoot the forts. On the plus side, at least he's not a tankie.

"Stop being American Tories, you American Tories you.."

 

[Hygro]

Leftwingers should buy guns.