The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

There still isn't. There's hella qualifications on that. I carry one around in my pocket and I hate pistols. Everything I own and use is marked as "obsolete" under its tech entries. But, scary scary and socio/political foes. So one we go after the hicks with long rifles. And that's just a crappy little cul-de-sac of the issue.
 
Indeed. I guess I'd say I would pick my poison, but that's really not an option for anyone seems like. "We" do it. The same we, both times.
 
Not a lot of mass murders committed using a collection of rare prints.
 
I have to tell you, as a parent of two kids who attend schools, when I look at the odds of their being involved in one of these shootings, I'm not particularly concerned. But, if I was particularly concerned, there's a host of effective and inexpensive measures like high-quality door jambs and such that could be put into every classroom a heck of a lot sooner than getting guns banned in this country. Actionable, low-cost, helpful measures that wouldn't involve anything crazy like arming teachers are within every PTO and girl scout troop's fundraising grasp, any time they'd like to take it on.

People like to turn their nose up at those offering "thoughts and prayers" after these things happen, and maybe with good reason, but asking for gun control is pretty much just as useless.
 
I have to tell you, as a parent of two kids who attend schools, when I look at the odds of their being involved in one of these shootings, I'm not particularly concerned. But, if I was particularly concerned, there's a host of effective and inexpensive measures like high-quality door jambs and such that could be put into every classroom a heck of a lot sooner than getting guns banned in this country. Actionable, low-cost, helpful measures that wouldn't involve anything crazy like arming teachers are within every PTO and girl scout troop's fundraising grasp, any time they'd like to take it on.

People like to turn their nose up at those offering "thoughts and prayers" after these things happen, and maybe with good reason, but asking for gun control is pretty much just as useless.

We can do both. Why not make schools safer, and ban guns?
 

What the 'most armed man in America' has to say about mass shootings​

Mel Bernstein says he has more than 4,000 weapons on his compound.

— -- Colorado gun shop owner Mel Bernstein became casually known as the “most armed man in America” after acquiring thousands of high-powered weapons, bazookas and machine guns.

His firearms collection dwarfs the number of guns -- 47 -- allegedly found in the Las Vegas hotel suite and two homes of mass shooter Stephen Paddock, for instance, but the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is unable to confirm whether Bernstein has amassed more weapons than any other U. S. gun owner.

“ATF cannot quantify who possesses the most firearms in America because there is no database to reference this information,” an ATF representative wrote in response to an inquiry from ABC News. “A firearm registry or database of individuals who own firearms regulated under the Gun Control Act (GCA) does not exist.”

In addition to selling the kind of guns used in the Sutherland Texas, Las Vegas and Columbine High School shootings, Bernstein said, his gun shop sold out of bump stocks shortly after the Vegas massacre that left 58 people dead and over 500 injured. Paddock allegedly modified 12 of his rifles with bump stocks, an attachment that enables a semiautomatic rifle to fire hundreds of shots per minute.

“They were only $185,” Bernstein said. “In two days [after the Oct. 1 Vegas attack], we sold all of them.”

His supply of eight bump stocks had previously been sitting on the shelf for eight months, he said.

“Whatever the killer used, that’s what they want,” Bernstein, 71, said of his customers. “They want to feel the firepower. They want to have the gun just like that to show people.”

Bernstein says he has amassed over 4,000 weapons at his Colorado Springs compound, where he also keeps military-style vehicles. The weapons are registered in his name, he says, and he also rents and sells machine guns to his customers.

His gun shop, six shooting ranges, military museum, paintball park, motorcross park and home are located on the 260-acre property known as Dragonland.

“We’ve been selling more guns in the last three weeks than we have in the last eight months,” Bernstein said of his firearms shop called Dragonmans.

As for gun ownership in general, about 3 percent of Americans own about half the country’s 265 million guns, according to a 2016 Harvard-Northeastern survey. Such “super owners” possess an average of 17 guns each, and an estimated 133 million guns in total.

Bernstein has signs along his mile-long driveway threatening “gang bangers” and “registered Democrats” from stepping onto his property. Bullet-riddled cars and mannequins covered in fake blood serve as a warning to potential trespassers.

“If anybody comes on your property and threatens you with bodily harm, it’s legal to shoot them, [according to] Colorado law,” Bernstein said as he drove toward his one-story house in which he keeps M16s, sawed-off shotguns, and multiple handguns around his bed.

In August, four people used Bernstein’s truck to smash into the Dragonmans gun store and steal 84 guns, police said. Federal authorities have since arrested four suspects, including his stepdaughter and step-grandson, who now face felony charges in connection to the theft of firearms from a federal firearms licensee. They have not entered pleas.

Despite all the weapons and warnings, Bernstein says no one has ever been killed or even injured on his property. With one profound exception.

In 2012, his wife, Terry Flanell, 51, was accidentally killed by a smoke bomb on the property while filming a reality-TV pilot for the Discovery Channel.

“One of the smoke containers turned into a rocket and went right past me and through her and killed her,” Bernstein said


Now, his home -- decorated with jukeboxes, vintage Cola-Cola memorabilia and model cars -- reminds him of a bygone era.

Bernstein also keeps four female mannequins at the home. “I need someone to talk to, to tell them my problems,” Bernstein said.

He added: “This whole house fixed up like this puts me back in my era, back in the sixties where I belong.”
https://abcnews.go.com/US/armed-man-america-mass-shootings/story?id=50704521
 
I have to tell you, as a parent of two kids who attend schools, when I look at the odds of their being involved in one of these shootings, I'm not particularly concerned. But, if I was particularly concerned, there's a host of effective and inexpensive measures like high-quality door jambs and such that could be put into every classroom a heck of a lot sooner than getting guns banned in this country. Actionable, low-cost, helpful measures that wouldn't involve anything crazy like arming teachers are within every PTO and girl scout troop's fundraising grasp, any time they'd like to take it on.

People like to turn their nose up at those offering "thoughts and prayers" after these things happen, and maybe with good reason, but asking for gun control is pretty much just as useless.
Given that most Americans support at least some form of increased gun control that seems a failing of your political system.
 
Tell you what - let's race and see who gets done first.

Good? I don't see how that isn't a positive thing?

Are you threatening me with my cake and eating it?
 
Good? I don't see how that isn't a positive thing?

Are you threatening me with my cake and eating it?

I mean, I don't even think your goal is achievable. I probably should have phrased it, "Let's race and see who even finishes." Although in fairness, I don't think mine will even be started.
 
I mean, I don't even think your goal is achievable. I probably should have phrased it, "Let's race and see who even finishes." Although in fairness, I don't think mine will even be started.

Doesn't seem to be in good faith if you don't even expect to start your side of the bargain?
 
For one, people collect things. Two, they might use them for different shooting sports, e.g. hunting or clay pigeons. We could ask them the precise reasons why, but I guess not anymore in this particular instance. Gun owners ought to be able to defend the purchases they make, otherwise they'll get labeled as nuts (rightly or wrongly). I go to a few gun shows a year at it always rubs me the wrong way when I see some guns with skulls and intimidating slogans like "just try and take it" and such printed on them for sale; I mean who would want that if not someone trying to compensate?
So...I hope this was an honest enough answer to your honest question.
 
A pro-gun argument I see once in a while is that "a gun is just a tool." Well, okay. If we accept that as true, then as with so many tools, one can reasonably infer what the purchaser or owner plans to do, or feels they may need to do, based on the tool(s) they have. If I see a person with a hammer in their home, in a toolbox, or on their belt, or if they're buying one at Home Depot, I can reasonably infer that they intend to drive a nail, the hammer's intended purpose. Maybe there's a specific project they have in mind, or maybe they just figure they're going to encounter a nail that needs to be driven, and they want to be ready for it. You can also infer something from the type of hammer.

I would be nervous around anyone carrying a handgun, if I didn't immediately understand why they have it (e.g. they're a uniformed police officer). Either they're planning to shoot someone, or they expect to be in a situation where they'll have to shoot someone; either way, I don't want to be in the vicinity. I mean, think about it: Let's say the person carrying a handgun is being completely rational and reasonable, and they really do need it. Something so terrible is going to happen, that they need to be ready to kill someone without notice. Do you really want to be hanging around that person? :lol:

Just buying an "assault-style" rifle is a 'red flag' all by itself, to me; afaik, the only people who have a legitimate use for those weapons are supplied them by their employers (e.g. Army, Air Force, Navy or Marines, and certain law enforcement), and they aren't allowed to use them just whenever or however they see fit. I think the weapons-professionals recognize how innately dangerous these things are and have pretty strict rules about when they have them and how they use them.
 
I would be nervous around anyone carrying a handgun, if I didn't immediately understand why they have it (e.g. they're a uniformed police officer). Either they're planning to shoot someone, or they expect to be in a situation where they'll have to shoot someone; either way, I don't want to be in the vicinity. I mean, think about it: Let's say the person carrying a handgun is being completely rational and reasonable, and they really do need it. Something so terrible is going to happen, that they need to be ready to kill someone without notice. Do you really want to be hanging around that person? :lol:
How do you feel about people keeping fire extinguishers at the ready? Or portable defibrillators? First aid kits?? A rational person carrying a firearm doesn't know if (s)he needs it or not and is being prepared just in case. A rational person not carrying a firearm thinks the chance of needing one is low and doesn't want to be burdened with it. Both are reasonable.

FWIW, uniformed police officers make me nervous. Not because of they are armed or because I'm a lawbreaker, but because of "qualified immunity". (if you're not familiar with the term, look it up.)
 
Them having guns definitely makes me nervous given their propensity to fire them into crowds and at pets.
 
I have to tell you, as a parent of two kids who attend schools, when I look at the odds of their being involved in one of these shootings, I'm not particularly concerned. But, if I was particularly concerned, there's a host of effective and inexpensive measures like high-quality door jambs and such that could be put into every classroom a heck of a lot sooner than getting guns banned in this country. Actionable, low-cost, helpful measures that wouldn't involve anything crazy like arming teachers are within every PTO and girl scout troop's fundraising grasp, any time they'd like to take it on.

People like to turn their nose up at those offering "thoughts and prayers" after these things happen, and maybe with good reason, but asking for gun control is pretty much just as useless.
just two notes here -
- it baffles me that we're in a place where break-safe jams like that are necessary. in denmark we have almost no issues like this and you can freely enter schools
- i don't think the legislation has draw; there's little political will to do much about it tbh; yours would require increased funding from a wing that doesn't like to fund schools that way. they like to sell weapons to teachers tho, sometimes, because that's within their space of what's ok to do
 
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