Third Presidential Debate

[GenMarshall]

Bush didn't send us into a great depression, things put into motion by Bill Clinton and before him did.

Nice jab there, had to go an attack the other Republicans. Daddy Bush (George H.W. Bush) and Regan!

Things werent placed into motion by Bill Clinton. If you recall, or you have forgotten that too, that when Clinton left office, we had a surplus. Once Bush was in office, we were waist deap in debt. Fiscal Conservatism, my butt. Yet, Republicans are happy to place blame on a former president, especialy if it's a member of the opposing party.

Bush is no destroyer of economies and the

war in Iraq is relatively cheap in comparison to some of the crap being suggested right now.

I'm going to have to call bull on that. We could do more with that money that is being wasted in a pointless war that the majority of Americans do not agree with.

He didn't invade anyone's civil liberties, only people who were security threats.

Another pile of bull. Ever heard of the Patriot Act? Ever heard of the wiretapping authorization Bush passed through? I recall the Patriot Act opens up records, both medical and library. To any federal agent.

Stop buying all of that liberal hogwash for a minute and understand the world.

First of all, It's not liberal "hogwash". Second of all, I do understand the world. I'm not the one buying into Rush Limbaugh's crap.

So Saddam was a better leader? He killed hundreds of thousands of people and was a rouge dictator. He was a mini Hitler and you complain about us taking him out of power.

Did I say that I complained about taking him out of power? Never in my post did I had any opposition on taking out Saddam. I felt there were better ways without going in like a bullmoose (no pun intended) in a china shop to take out Saddam. Heck we had a chance to do that back in Gulf War I!!!!

My quarlm with the Iraq War are the lies and misinformation that has been spread about in order to justify the war. Where are the WMDs!? There were none. Where were the links to Al Quada?! There were none, but we attracted them into Iraq!!

 

[joshhh]

I think McCain won. Especially since the majority of CNN analysts say he won.

 

[Rashiminos]

McCain sunk himself on education when he suggested allowing relatively uncredentialed people to teach. That's a big no-no.

Anyways, McCain was doing well for about the first 30 minutes, then he imploded himself on that acorn mess. The middle 30 minutes varied between McCain stock going up and McCain making a gaffe to lose his gains. Obama came up strong in the home stretch, but I think McCain's lead was a little too much.

Unfortunately, the middle American candidate out finished 30 minutes earlier.

McCain was awful, Obama was impotent.

 

[Berzerker]

I must have been out having a smoke when McCain said something ridiculing the abortion option for the health of the woman. Not smart, John. I gotta believe there's plenty of pro-life women who dont want the gov't deciding when a woman is close enough to death to get an abortion.

 

[emzie]

Mccain actually seemed like he wanted to be president not to the old folks home like during the second one... I would say Mccain won as he accomplished everything he tried too his only loss was on health care. great moderator/questions too!

Best moderated of the three, indeed.

 

[El_Machinae]

Sometimes it's a bit tough to judge. Obama is a better showman than McCain, and it's important to not let showmanship trick you. I think they both sucked on the Energy Independence question (amazing! both their plans make a difference in 10 years). I really liked their eduction debate: I think I could have watched a full hour of that debate topic.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

The current economic problems do not have one damn thing to go with Iraq, and the price of oil has nothing to do with it either.

Really? Inflation isn't caused by borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars against yourself? News to me...

 

[silver 2039]

This is already the case. Many retired military members have years of duty at training venues of all types that would put your average college classroom to shame. If you have NEC or whatever other services call it that are equivalent, you don't need to go for the civilian qualification. This is true for any number of civilian professional qualifications.

Think of it as a CLEP program.

Ah. McCain should have said that then. The way he put it sounded like he wanted to let anyone who ever served in the military into a school. Not good for him.

Obama got crushed on education, as you would know if you were informed on vouchers and charter schools. Obama basically said nothing more substatial than "more money."

Perhaps. But Obama seems far more beneficial to my interests as college student. My college just recently said that while its still financially sound it may be making some budget cuts. More money sounds good to me. I go to a state uni.

 

[Patroklos]

Really? Inflation isn't caused by borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars against yourself? News to me...

Iraq war spending is insignificant in relation to worldwide forces driving inflation.

 

[Berzerker]

This is already the case. Many retired military members have years of duty at training venues of all types that would put your average college classroom to shame. If you have NEC or whatever other services call it that are equivalent, you don't need to go for the civilian qualification. This is true for any number of civilian professional qualifications.

Think of it as a CLEP program.

And I'd do away with all certification requirements. It aint my business who you hire to teach yer kids.

 

[Rashiminos]

In all fairness, the economic benefits of murdering Iraqis probably gives a boost to our economy. Without the war in Iraq, things could be worse.

 

[Berzerker]

Iraq war spending is insignificant in relation to worldwide forces driving inflation.

what was the price of oil in 2000?

 

[El_Machinae]

The current economic problems do not have one damn thing to go with Iraq, and the price of oil has nothing to do with it either.

Yeah, okay.

"Artificial housing bubble maintained by administration to convince Americans that the economy is doing great! then pops and we find out that there has actually been a whole bunch of money wasted and the economy actually isn't looking so strong because of the huge overseas waste and the fundamental rise in energy"

Absolutely nothing. Sustainable growth was just a pipe-dream, and so the war and energy prices couldn't have ruined it, because it was a pipe-dream.

 

[emzie]

Iraq war spending is insignificant in relation to worldwide forces driving inflation.

Yet earmark reform will save the world?

 

[Patroklos]

[quote[Ah. McCain should have said that then. The way he put it sounded like he wanted to let anyone who ever served in the military into a school. Not good for him. [/quote]

Most people know this, I had two of these type of teachers in highschool ten years ago. One was the best teacher I ever had, one was so so.

Perhaps. But Obama seems far more beneficial to my interests as college student. My college just recently said that while its still financially sound it may be making some budget cuts. More money sounds good to me.

Eficiency in spending is what is needed. I know this, I fight government waste ever day. It is a culture of waste and ambivalence by all parties (including citizens) that is so ingrained it will frustrate you to your limits if you are ever exposed to it.

 

[Berzerker]

oh man, McCain stumbled badly when he tried to bring up Ayers. That was just a bungled attack and its about the only thing left in the quiver.

 

[Gilder]

I paid attention for the first hour. I'm not impressed. Same as the past two, more or less. At least they seemed to actually answer questions a little more this time.

 

[Berzerker]

can someone tell me what happens to the cost of getting an education when the govt subsidizes education? If a school sees a hefty govt grant coming their way, what happens to the kid without the grant? Does he have to pay more to compete with the kid getting the grant?

 

[El_Machinae]

I paid attention for the first hour. I'm not impressed. Same as the past two, more or less. At least they seemed to actually answer questions a little more this time.

That's because they've heard them before, and have had days to prepare to partially answer them.

 

[Holycannoli]

Sometimes it's a bit tough to judge. Obama is a better showman than McCain, and it's important to not let showmanship trick you. I think they both sucked on the Energy Independence question (amazing! both their plans make a difference in 10 years). I really liked their eduction debate: I think I could have watched a full hour of that debate topic.

I think that's the earliest we can get, and I personally think that's a very generous estimate. We don't have the infrastructure to make a huge difference in 4 years.

Who won this debate? Joe The Plumber.

I think McCain won tonight (no surprise from me huh?). I think a lot of good character questions were brought up about Obama that Obama didn't have good answers for. Plus the amount of spending Obama proposed is astronomical, if you know how to read between the lines. For instance that $4000 credit for college students who volunteer. Sounds great, but who pays for that?

It's a good plan, but not a good plan for right now, and that's what matters. We are in the worst economic crisis in 80 years, and we cannot tax & spend our way out of it. We need the "hatchet then the scalpel" more than ever.