Three sisters and their nine children flee to Syria

[Borachio]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33156712

The husbands of three UK sisters feared to have travelled to Syria with their nine children said they "miss and love" them as they appealed for their return.

Khadija, Sugra and Zohra Dawood, from Bradford, and their children aged three to 15 went missing over a week ago.

Their brother is understood to be fighting with extremists in Syria.

On Tuesday, Akhtar Iqbal made an emotional appeal to his wife Sugra, saying: "I'm shaking and I miss you. It's been too many days."

Lawyer Balaal Khan, who is representing the fathers, told the BBC there has been no contact from any of the missing wives or children since the news conference.

If the worst is true, and the women have joined their brother who is said to be in Syria, everyone here knows that the chances of them being able to return are slim.

There is no doubt that some travellers buy into Islamic State's narrative that they can be part of its utopian, and murderous, vision.

And all the evidence shows that once someone is inside Islamic State's zone of control, it's virtually impossible to get out.

The group went missing following a religious pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia.

They travelled to the Saudi city of Medina on 28 May and were last seen in a hotel in the city.

Taking nine children into IS? Are these people quite mad?

 

[warpus]

Nah I don't think this is a mental health issue. Although since they aren't Anglo Saxon, it's probably okay to wonder whether it might be.

 

[NovaKart]

I heard about an Australian woman who did the same. She wants to return to Australia now but she will be arrested if she does.

 

[Phrossack]

Nah I don't think this is a mental health issue. Although since they aren't Anglo Saxon, it's probably okay to wonder whether it might be.

Nan tódæg sind Angulseaxan...

 

[Antilogic]

Class in Bad Life Decisions, 101: Don't go to Syria to join ISIS. Just don't.

I heard about an Australian woman who did the same. She wants to return to Australia now but she will be arrested if she does.

Interesting--I haven't seen much here. Is it because she's a suspected suicide bomber or something?

 

[NovaKart]

There was something about her son being photographed holding a severed head.

 

[Kyriakos]

Mmm three sisters.

Double double toil and trouble

 

[Antilogic]

There was something about her son being photographed holding a severed head.

So does that mean they suspect she is a sympathizer or something?

 

[Snorrius]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33156712
Taking nine children into IS? Are these people quite mad?

Why not? ISIS could become a powerful regional state in the future and now is the time to prove yourself and seize positions of power. Children have chance to become this future state's elites.

 

[NovaKart]

So does that mean they suspect she is a sympathizer or something?

Yeah she went there voluntarily.

 

[Tahuti]

Why not? ISIS could become a powerful regional state in the future and now is the time to prove yourself and seize positions of power. Children have chance to become this future state's elites.

I doubt it's their sole motivation, though it is otherwise an accurate observation. Everyone hates IS now. Should they win, it may last for quite some time.

We all know how it went with the Chicoms.

 

[bhavv]

Sounds like just another ordinary day for my home town of Bradistan.

 

[Borachio]

Why not? ISIS could become a powerful regional state in the future and now is the time to prove yourself and seize positions of power. Children have chance to become this future state's elites.

This thought did occur to me.

But would YOU take your own children into a war zone? Even in the interests of their long-term career prospects?

The psychological effects of warfare on the adult mind can be devastating enough. What do you think it does to children? Rather than a member of some future elite, you're more likely to produce a highly damaged individual with no social conscience... Ah, I see what you mean.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Why not? ISIS could become a powerful regional state in the future and now is the time to prove yourself and seize positions of power. Children have chance to become this future state's elites.

A state without working electricity, broken sewage, in the middle of a drought, broken war zone, mass unemployment and poverty.

The west meanwhile should accept all the best brains fleeing from that third world hell hole seeking a better safer, new first world life.

 

[Snorrius]

This thought did occur to me.

But would YOU take your own children into a war zone? Even in the interests of their long-term career prospects?

The psychological effects of warfare on the adult mind can be devastating enough. What do you think it does to children? Rather than a member of some future elite, you're more likely to produce a highly damaged individual with no social conscience... Ah, I see what you mean.

You are right... Except, there are more then one intermediary truths out there and European way to see the world is not necessarily the final one.

First, let's correct idea that they are necessarily go to war zone. They are going to ISIS not necessarily means they are going to front lines. Those who cannot fight may live in some city under ISIS control but inside of their territory.

Second, we have to assess your idea about children. While we, infantile Europeans, even Russians, may consider people in 13 - 15 yo as "children" it is not necessarily the case it was in previous times and how it is in other cultures. To fantasize about childrens in middle and late teens and even in earlier twenties, one have to belong to prosperous and infantile culture. In ISIS older boys of this nine can already start contributing to jihad, and girls reached puberty can be married off to good mujahid.

Now, you asking me whether I took my children to such place. I do not think it is a good thing to make me a criterion (what if I say "yes", would you be convinced then?). Let's look through the eyes of Muslim father.

What expect boys here? Living off the welfare, criminal activity and raping local girls as, Rotterham shows us, it is semi-legal in UK these days for migrants' children.

And what for his daughter here? She will learn hook-ups, spend her teens and twenties in this activity and then will live off welfare, maybe writing from time to time about her multicultural experiences in UK being mercilessly exploited by priviledged classes whoever they be at this point. But she will not realize her as good mother and submissive wife as a proper women should according to Muslim views.

Their lives pointless and devoid of any meaning. Surely it is better then lead pointless life in some poor country which have no prospects, that's why so much migrants are going to UK, but ISIS is a window to the future albeit uncertain. Here you and your sons can fight for the higher idea while seizing mundane riches and positions of power, while your daughters can become wifes to good warriors of jihad instead of becoming whores, sluts and murtaddesses. And if they die along the process -- for a faithless kafir it is certainly a tragedy. But a faithfull one knows there is the paradise.