TIL: Today I Learned

[Synobun]

I can see where Valka is coming from. Spanish Flu was spread by troops returning from Europe in her area. That the disease originated in America is meaningless, nor does it originating closer to home mean it would have ended up in her area anyways if the soldiers didn't bring it back.

It just seems like a silly thing to direct towards her. I mean, it's a TIL thread. Where Spanish Flu originated may be interesting, and it could be a TIL moment, but it was specifically directed at Valka, so...

 

[Phrossack]

I can see where Valka is coming from. Spanish Flu was spread by troops returning from Europe in her area. That the disease originated in America is meaningless, nor does it originating closer to home mean it would have ended up in her area anyways if the soldiers didn't bring it back.

It just seems like a silly thing to direct towards her. I mean, it's a TIL thread. Where Spanish Flu originated may be interesting, and it could be a TIL moment, but it was specifically directed at Valka, so...

It looked to me like Silurian was just trying to share some knowledge about the Flu. He can speak for himself, but it certainly wasn't a calculated personal attack on Valka's family that deserved that kind of outburst.

 

[Synobun]

Outburst? We may be playing a little fast and loose with definitions here.

TIL that Turnkey can do SSL registration, installation, and renewal automatically. Saved me a lot of trouble and future annoyance.

 

[Bamspeedy]

I informed you that some Canadian soldiers returned home from Europe. They were in various stages of the disease, and it spread. My great-grandmother was one of the victims, leaving a husband and three young children behind.

I don't give a damn what was going on in the U.S. at that time. My great-grandparents did not ever live anywhere near Kansas.

No, they might not have lived anywhere near Kansas, that doesn't mean someone from Kansas didn't bring it up to Canada...but all evidence points to soldiers bringing it back from Europe. Its possible it was brought to Canada both ways, but since the timing of when the vast majority of victims got it coincides to when the soldiers were returning, the soldiers bringing it is the most likely culprit (it could hypothetically be 99% from the soldiers, 1% from American travelers)

Kansas had the first reported case, but historical records from that time are sketchy, and some evidence have been presented that suggests it might have been around before kansas. Wiki page was interested since I hadn't read up much on the spanish flu before.

TIL: chinese laborers in WW1. Possible source of the flu (admittedly there isn't much evidence to prove it, but an interesting theory.)

 

[Valka D'Ur]

No, they might not have lived anywhere near Kansas, that doesn't mean someone from Kansas didn't bring it up to Canada...but all evidence points to soldiers bringing it back from Europe. Its possible it was brought to Canada both ways, but since the timing of when the vast majority of victims got it coincides to when the soldiers were returning, the soldiers bringing it is the most likely culprit (it could hypothetically be 99% from the soldiers, 1% from American travelers)

I already stated that there's a recent news article about it on CBC.ca. I don't recall Kansas being mentioned once.

 

[Bamspeedy]

And it wouldn't be since that is not the primary source for most infections. I'm merely saying it's possible, not that it's likely. Absolutely, the odds are any specific individual got it from the soldiers, I'm merely saying it's possible some were infected (however rarely) from other sources (travelers). It's impossible to say who was and who was not infected from which source, other than the mass majority was from the soldiers.
I'm on your side, really, the default assumption should be your relative got the flu from the soldiers as you say, I'm merely saying it's only about 99.99% certain that is the case. She may not have met an American, that doesn't mean one of her neighbors didn't. If you still don't understand the point I'm trying to make, well, then I guess there is nothing left to do here.

 

[Bamspeedy]

30000 US soldiers died before they left the USA for Europe. One of the first major outbreaks of Spanish Flu in Europe was in Brest where the troopships docked. Spain, which was not in the war and so there was no troop movements, is 600 km to the south. Troop movements were the major cause of spread the flu but if there were no troop movements it still spread.

If a brick fell off a wall and killed someone I would want to know why the brick fell off the wall.

From US National Library of Medicine



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2862337/

I agree the flu was in the US before returning Canadian soldiers spread it to other Canadians, but where the disease originated is debatable.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com...u-1918-china-origins-pandemic-science-health/

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well, since this has gone personal...My grandmother lived in Chicago and caught the flu. She survived and had four children; one of whom was my mother.

 

[Lemon Merchant]

Moderator Action: Let's get back to TIL moments and not argue about who caught what from whom, please. This is not the thread for it.

 

[Kyriakos]

Tii (inferred) that the english term 'vainglorious' apparently is a false translation of the greek ' mataiodoksos'. False, cause 'doksa' in this case isnt used with its other meaning (glory) but as ' view/stance'. (Dogma shares a root iirc).
The english are too vainlazious to even translate stuff right

 

[Arakhor]

Etymonline disagrees. Quote: early 15c., from vainglory + -ous, or from Old French vain glorios "boastful, swaggering." Related: Vaingloriously; vaingloriousness. Grose ("Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," 3rd ed., 1796) has vain-glorious man "One who boasts without reason, or, as the canters say, pisses more than he drinks."

 

[Kyriakos]

Yet the french term likely vainlazily was a bad translation of mataiodoksos. Cause vainglorious itself sounds rather strange.

 

[Arakhor]

So, why would they do that when they had Latin to fall back upon?

 

[Kyriakos]

So, why would they do that when they had Latin to fall back upon?

What latin? You posted an old french word. I think it would be a really great coincidence if indeed it isnt a botched traslation from greek
Of course such can happen even from late latin, but at least your post only mentions the later french term.

 

[Arakhor]

What latin? You posted an old french word. I think it would be a really great coincidence if indeed it isnt a botched traslation from greek
Of course such can happen even from late latin, but at least your post only mentions the later french term.

If you clicked on the vainglory link, it says that it comes from mediaeval Latin vana gloria, which in classical Latin is "empty fame".

 

[The_J]

Today I learned a few new terms in Microbiology. Right now I'm working on my research for clinical microbiology and I've finally found some interesting topic ideas. Hope I'll write it on time. Next year I'm going to get master's degree.

I hope it's not gonorrhea and chlamydia ^^.

 

[Kyriakos]

If you clicked on the vainglory link, it says that it comes from mediaeval Latin vana gloria, which in classical Latin is "empty fame".

Then the only possible tie would be if vana itself is linked to mataia/maten/mataio(n). Eg vanity of vanities is translated fom the greek mataiotis mataioteton

 

[Phrossack]

TIL the difference between a pier, quay, wharf, and jetty:

 

[Valka D'Ur]

TIL the difference between a pier, quay, wharf, and jetty:

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Back about 50 years ago, my grandfather bought a cabin on Okanagan Lake, near Vernon, BC. He built a pier that extended far enough out so he could tie up his motorboat, but since the water was deep out there I was a bit nervous about being out on it.

So my grandfather built me my own little pier, about 3 feet long, and the water was shallow. (I still have a picture of me playing there)

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Today I learned that Tisdale, Saskatchewan had a rather unfortunate slogan until a few years ago.