Tip the pizza delivery driver!

[IglooDame]

I tried to tip a cabbie in Poland once, and he refused to take my money, possibly for the reason above.

Apparently in Japan, tipping is seen as highly offensive.

Lotus, weren't you saying there was a job opportunity in Tokyo for you? Suddenly it seems like a better fit...

 

[LucyDuke]

I still tip if the service/food was horrible, I just feed bad if I didn't, because I know how important tips are.

It shouldn't be like that!

I do too, because I sympathize with a server having a bad day, and it's not always their fault. If the food was horrible, it doesn't change anything (that's not their fault at all), but if the service was horrible, it's 10% (and it rounds down). On the other hand, if I delivered horrible service, I would understand not getting a tip.

We can "should" and "shouldn't" all day. I'm an excellent bartender, it's easier to convince customers of that than it is to convince absentee employers, so I'll take this system where I earn my pay on the spot.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Federally (all states), unless the state has a higher minimum, servers that can expect tips have a minimum wage of $2.13/hr.

Hasn't it been $2.13 forever? I think it is still at the amount when the normal minimum wage was $4.25 (so waitstafff got 50% of minimum wage). So waitstaff didn't get any increase when they raised the minimum wage?

I've worked a couple of dead nights where I brought home less than $20 in tips.

$20/8=$2.5
$2.13+$2.50=$4.63
$4.63 < $7.40

Legally, my boss is required to pay me the difference. But the thing is, some nights I brought home >$100 in tips. I'm not going to gripe about rainy days, it's part of the trade-off. If I never made more than $20/night, I wouldn't ask my boss to make up the difference anyway, I'd find a new job.

I am pretty sure it would be figured out on a per week or per pay period basis. (he doesn't need to reimburse you for the slow nights if you worked the busy nights that week to bring you above the minimum).

 

[LucyDuke]

Hasn't it been $2.13 forever? I think it is still at the amount when the normal minimum wage was $4.25 (so waitstafff got 50% of minimum wage). So waitstaff didn't get any increase when they raised the minimum wage?

I believe the $2.13 figure was established in 1996, when the federal minimum wage was $4.75. The $2.13 hasn't been adjusted, while the $4.75 has been upped to $5.85. Nor is the $2.13 slated to rise in July of 2008 or July of 2009, when the $5.85 will go up to $6.55 and $7.25, respectively. Waitstaff's actual pay is understood to increase with the rising prices on menus.

I am pretty sure it would be figured out on a per week or per pay period basis. (he doesn't need to reimburse you for the slow nights if you worked the busy nights that week to bring you above the minimum).

That's true. I oversimplified. It does average over a pay period, but just as there are slow nights, there are slow weeks. The point is that the tips are understood as part of the wage, and if they're insufficient, yes, the house has to make up the difference. Nobody likes that.

My state has a higher minimum than the federal. I don't know whether the law specifies that the employer has to make up the difference to the state minimum or the federal minimum. This could vary from state-to-state. (If I made $3.85/hr for a week, I'm not sure whether my boss would have to make up the $2/hr difference or the $3.55/hr difference.)

 

[warpus]

The problem with tips is that they are no longer gratuities anymore... which they should be.

The whole system is messed up.

 

[Bugfatty300]

ENTRY level part time positions at the UPS pay $10/hour, with benefits too. You'll work 25 hours a week, but get enough to live off of. You should apply, they're almost always hiring. I did it myself throughout college.

Sure, it's a lot harder of a job than sitting in your car all day. You'll end up doing a lot of lifting in your typical package handler job. But, it pays better, and in the end is a lot more rewarding.

This is why I don't really have any sympathy for people who gripe about "minimum wage" jobs. You get minimum wage because you do an easy job, so it's all you deserve. If you don't like what you're making, try working a little harder, or apply somewhere else.

Its ironic that you mention that.

I actually had a part-time job as a UPS package handler from January to February of this year. It certainly wasn't $10 an hour (more like $8.15) and the work was though but I liked the job since I would get benitits, and it was unionized. (Extremely rare for a part-time job).

Unfortunately, even though I was promised that this was a perminant job and not a seasonal job, I was laid off with just 1 day to go before I became a union member. I waited a month for them to call me back and every week they promised I'd be back monday or tuesday but I eventually I gave up and found another job.

I was less than impressed with the way I was treated by my supervisors for the month I was there. And I'm actually making more money at Pizza Hut at 6.15 an hour since I work slightly more hours and make $30-$50 tips a night on weekdays and $70-$80 in tips on weekends.

This is why I don't really have any sympathy for people who gripe about "minimum wage" jobs. You get minimum wage because you do an easy job, so it's all you deserve. If you don't like what you're making, try working a little harder, or apply somewhere else

Do you know what my job is like? I would hold off on those stereotypical comments. I actually don't drive around all day. Most of my 6 hours are spent washing dishes in a hot sauna-like room or carrying huge vats of sauces back in forth. I work damn hard and would certainly not consider this an easy job.

And its no more easier or harder than full-time job I had in a poultry factory for a year. When I left that place I was making $11 an hour. When I became a full-time security guard for the same factory, I was making $9 an hour for sitting on my ass in a guard house all day.

 

[MobBoss]

Do you know what my job is like?

He might not, but having worked as a pizza driver for years for several different companies I sure as hell do know what its like, and I assure you.....it isnt hard work at all.

 

[Bugfatty300]

He might not, but having worked as a pizza driver for years for several different companies I sure as hell do know what its like, and I assure you.....it isnt hard work at all.

Good for you. What exactly haven't you done and are not an expert on? I know my own job and know what hard work is and I assure you.....it isn't as easy as you say.

 

[MobBoss]

Good for you. What exactly haven't you done and are not an expert on? I know my own job and know what hard work is and I assure you.....it isn't as easy as you say.

Dude...if it was as hard as you let on, it would pay 20+ bucks an hour and no one would want to do it. I mean really.

It is an easy job. Washing dishes isnt exactly hard to do. Neither is hauling up a 20 pound sauce bucket or stacking up flour sacks when you have to unload the delivery truck. And your shift is only what? 6 hours you said? Please. Get a job in which you have to work a 14 to 17 hour day for several weeks on end and then you will begin to appreciate what 'hard' is and what it isnt.

 

[Shylock]

If someone calls a prank pizza call or the caller isn't there for whatever reason what happens to the pizza?

 

[MobBoss]

If someone calls a prank pizza call or the caller isn't there for whatever reason what happens to the pizza?

Heh, at least when I worked doing this, the drivers would eat them. Almost every night I closed I brought home pizza of some type. Eventually, you eat so much pizza you get sick of it.

Or, the managers would trade them off to some other fast food place in exchange for other kind of food to eat. That happened fairly often as well.

 

[Shylock]

Heh, at least when I worked doing this, the drivers would eat them. Almost every night I closed I brought home pizza of some type.

But wouldn't the owner get uppity about no money coming with that pizza?

 

[MobBoss]

But wouldn't the owner get uppity about no money coming with that pizza?

The manager is answerable for that...not the drivers. It doesnt happen that much anyways.

 

[The Yankee]

There's nothing you can do about it....

 

[MobBoss]

There's nothing you can do about it....

Well, yeah, you can. In stores where that is a huge problem, they start doing confirmation calls back to the person that ordered the pizza. It does help out some.

 

[LucyDuke]

Dude...if it was as hard as you let on, it would pay 20+ bucks an hour and no one would want to do it. I mean really.

It is an easy job. Washing dishes isnt exactly hard to do. Neither is hauling up a 20 pound sauce bucket or stacking up flour sacks when you have to unload the delivery truck. And your shift is only what? 6 hours you said? Please. Get a job in which you have to work a 14 to 17 hour day for several weeks on end and then you will begin to appreciate what 'hard' is and what it isnt.

Where did you work a 17 hour day?

 

[brainpan]

Naivety?

Absolutely. And every time you comment, you simply reinforce that fact.

They do this so that they can falsely advertise a service as 'free' that quite clearly isn't...

Once again this is your self-centered attitude, and at this point willful ignorance, at play. We understand the concept quite well over here, and that fact has been explained to you repeatedly.

You basically jumped into this conversation to tell the poor pizza delivery kid "how things work" despite the fact you clearly didn't have the first clue how it does. Now you just want to rant. You've basically reduced yourself to a troll at this point.

 

[Hundegesicht]

Its ironic that you mention that.

I actually had a part-time job as a UPS package handler from January to February of this year. It certainly wasn't $10 an hour (more like $8.15) and the work was though but I liked the job since I would get benitits, and it was unionized. (Extremely rare for a part-time job).

Probably difference in standard of living in NC. Or Union. Entry level pay for Pre-Load shift here is $10/hour. It is a dollar lower for unload, I believe, but their shift is a lot lighter work.

Unfortunately, even though I was promised that this was a perminant job and not a seasonal job, I was laid off with just 1 day to go before I became a union member. I waited a month for them to call me back and every week they promised I'd be back monday or tuesday but I eventually I gave up and found another job.

I was less than impressed with the way I was treated by my supervisors for the month I was there. And I'm actually making more money at Pizza Hut at 6.15 an hour since I work slightly more hours and make $30-$50 tips a night on weekdays and $70-$80 in tips on weekends.

Again, crappy union, or bad management in your area. My condolences. I absolutely loved my management and workplace... probably the best company I've ever worked for.

Do you know what my job is like? I would hold off on those stereotypical comments. I actually don't drive around all day. Most of my 6 hours are spent washing dishes in a hot sauna-like room or carrying huge vats of sauces back in forth. I work damn hard and would certainly not consider this an easy job.

I once helped my friend manage his catering business for a while. I made $15/hour for my work, one of the many jobs involved being dish washing. It's not the most pleasant work, but it was a lot easier than anything else I did... like loading our vans, or cooking food for 300, or setting up tables in 90 degree weather, or working over a hotbox. I once hired a guy to wash dishes afterward big dinners for minimum wage (usually, by 11:00, 11:30 PM, I was too tired to wash 300+ pans, plates, goblets, knives, forks after a 15, 16 hour day) but he moved at such a slow pace I ended up letting him go and doing it myself 5 times faster.

I personally wouldn't want to do it as a job, but it's not very hard work, or very skilled. Anyone 16 year old can do it.

(So yeah, I know what it's like, mostly)

And its no more easier or harder than full-time job I had in a poultry factory for a year. When I left that place I was making $11 an hour. When I became a full-time security guard for the same factory, I was making $9 an hour for sitting on my ass in a guard house all day.

So why'd you get a job at Pizza Hut? I mean, if the work bothers you that much, just apply for a different job. With your restaurant business experience you could easily get a part time job at any coffee shop. Starbucks pays decent wages... better than Pizza Hut, anyway.

I still haven't seen you explain why you stay with a job you hate so much.

 

[brainpan]

The manager is answerable for that...not the drivers. It doesnt happen that much anyways.

That's a lie. You just said it happened almost every night. I think you're basically full of BS now and will say anything to try to make a point.

 

[brainpan]

So why'd you get a job at Pizza Hut? I mean, if the work bothers you that much, just apply for a different job. With your restaurant business experience you could easily get a part time job at any coffee shop. Starbucks pays decent wages... better than Pizza Hut, anyway.

Let's just say he correctly assumed that some of us would be able to understand the principle of the point he was trying to make and would be able to comment on that.