Tip the pizza delivery driver!

[Ziggy Stardust]

Higher operational costs = higher product and service cost.

$20 for the pizza
-$3-5 gas fee
-$3-5 vehicle maintenance fee
+Sales Tax.

Insane numbers. You don't get tipped $8, they don't have to raise the costs by $8.

The pizzaplace next door will figure they are not spending that much on gas or maintenance, so they'll charge less. If you don't want to lose customers, you better not overcharge.

At the end the market will not allow this.

 

[Bugfatty300]

Insane numbers. You don't get tipped $8, they don't have to raise the costs by $8.

Its not supposed to cover the tip. It will all go to them to cover their insurance, maintenance and gas fees.

Delivery charges are already +$2 in some places and the company pockets most of it. Do you honestly think the delivery charges won't rise that much if they doubled driver wages, paid for their own gas and cars?

At the end the market will not allow this.

Exactly. Hence why delivery driving will remain a minimum wage tipped service for a while to come. No one is going to pay that much for a delivery.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It does not compute!

Are you saying that driving around delivering pizzas, apart from getting shafted by your paycheck, you are also losing money because the tips don't cover your gasbill? So in effect making less? Or are the tips enough to compensate for your expenses?

So is:

Gas Costs + insurance (delivery costs) for you > Tips?

 

[brennan]

If the pizza boy has to deliver two pizzas, he'll deliver to the highest tipper first. That does not necessarily mean your pizza's going to be cold, it just means you won't be at the very top of the driver's list.

So he won't do his job properly by delivering the pizzas in order of how close they are so that they both arrive in the best possible state?

Pizza delivery boy has failed at customer service. No tip and i'll take my custom elsewhere. But then I have standards apparently.

This is just blackmail as far as I can see. 'Pay me more than the other guy and i'll get you your pizza first!' Um, no. Just do your job like everyone else and stop whining, thanks.

 

[brainpan]

Better yet, please don't visit our country. Ever. You can try to twist this around all day long but the simple fact it is YOU who is whining. And about what? The expectation that you should pay for a service rendered. Your self righteous attitude isn't reasonable.

 

[Bugfatty300]

It does not compute!

Are you saying that driving around delivering pizzas, apart from getting shafted by your paycheck, you are also losing money because the tips don't cover your gasbill? So in effect making less? Or are the tips enough to compensate for your expenses?

So is:

Gas Costs + insurance (delivery costs) for you > Tips?

Tips pay for all my gas and more. BUT I don't get a flat rate for tips. One guy could give me $1 but the next guy may give me $10 and even the occasional $20-50 for a large delivery. So its easy for me to make a profit without many customers tipping.

If the store takes on the costs then the rates will be flat and on the high side to turn a profit. Stores already get a cut of the delivery fee even though they didn't do ANYTHING.

Isn't just better for the customer to choose not pay a tip? Isn't it better for the customer to have a tip system instead of being forced to pay more money?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Insane numbers. You don't get tipped $8, they don't have to raise the costs by $8.

The pizzaplace next door will figure they are not spending that much on gas or maintenance, so they'll charge less. If you don't want to lose customers, you better not overcharge.

At the end the market will not allow this.

$8 is a bit much, but maybe people should consider how much it would cost to take a taxi from the business to their house and tip accordingly. You don't have to go very far at all in taxi before it ends up costing $8.

One of my gripes was people who couldn't comprehend why there is a minimum order amount before we will deliver to you. No, we aren't going to drive to the other side of town to bring you one $1.49 order of fries!

So he won't do his job properly by delivering the pizzas in order of how close they are so that they both arrive in the best possible state?

If I have a non-tipper two blocks away and a great tipper 5 miles away, I would still go to the non-tipper first because it would be silly to not take the non-tipper his pizza until after I got back from the other one (10 miles round-trip). However, if the great tipper if 5 miles away and the non-tipper if 4 miles away, I'll hit the great tipper first.

 

[Rik Meleet]

(..)And when all those miracles do take place, please do enjoy your $40 large pizza.

About 13 to 14 dollars. And no delivery cost. Really no. Not even a tip is required, but it would be appreciated. No hidden cost - what you see is what you get.

 

[brennan]

Better yet, please don't visit our country. Ever. You can try to twist this around all day long but the simple fact it is YOU who is whining. And about what? The expectation that you should pay for a service rendered. Your self righteous attitude isn't reasonable.

How can I possibly be whining? I am perfectly happy with the service I receive on the odd occasion that I order a pizza. I get a nice steaming hot pizza, and it costs me exactly what the menu says it will. I fail to see where I might have a problem.

It's BugFatty et al, that are whining. I refer you to the OP.

 

[brennan]

However, if the great tipper if 5 miles away and the non-tipper if 4 miles away, I'll hit the great tipper first.

Then you fail to do the job you are being paid for IMO. And the customer you are giving poor service to is entitled to look upon you as blackmailing them.

 

[brainpan]

No. This has been explained to you and you still whine. This time the whining is because nobody can see your point...because you don't have one. Like I said, stay at home in warm sunny South England where you don't have to wring your hands with worry over tipping. You'll be happier and I can guarantee you WE will be happier.

 

[Bugfatty300]

This is just blackmail as far as I can see.

Its called business. You get what you pay for. People who pay less get less.

And there is no practical way for you or the store to know which house he delivered to first or last. So you're either stuck with being possibly "blackmailed" or you can go elsewhere for service. Simple enough.

 

[brainpan]

Then you fail to do the job you are being paid for IMO. And the customer you are giving poor service to is entitled to look upon you as blackmailing them.

No. You simply have no concept of economics. Lordy socialism can be OK to an extent but it sure makes some people stupid.

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[Rik Meleet]

No. This has been explained to you and you still whine. This time the whining is because nobody can see your point...because you don't have one. Like I said, stay at home in warm sunny South England where you don't have to wring your hands with worry over tipping. You'll be happier and I can guarantee you WE will be happier.

Brennan has a point that he doesn't accept this type of service which is non-service in many people's eyes. You see it differently and like this system. Live with it and stop whining about that brennan must like it as well.

 

[brainpan]

Next brennan with take on bicycle manufacturers who "blackmail" her into paying more money for a higher quality bike. They should all cost the same regardless. The outrage! Jesus.

 

[brainpan]

Brennan has a point that he doesn't accept this type of service which is non-service in many people's eyes. You see it differently and like this system. Live with it and stop whining about that brennan must like it as well.

Actually, the story is this: An American made a legitimate complaint which is well understood here. A few Euros who were completely ignorant of the system went on to lecture the American and then whined like banshees when the facts were explained to them.

 

[brennan]

Its called business. You get what you pay for. People who pay less get less.

And there is no practical way for you or the store to know which house he delivered to first or last. So you're stuck with being possibly "blackmailed" or you can go elsewhere for service. Simple enough.

Right, the only difference is that over here they tell you what it will cost and everyone gets the same treatment: in our system you pay and someone does their job. In your system, if you pay just a little more than the other guy, the delivery boy stops doing their job and the other guy gets screwed over.

 

[Rik Meleet]

Actually, the story is this: An American made a legitimate complaint which is well understood here. A few Euros who were completely ignorant of the system went on to lecture the American and then whined like banshees when the facts were explained to them.

In a discussion thread people discuss. The discussion point here is whether to tip the pizza delivery guy or not. In your PoV Bugfatty's complaint is legit. In other member's PoV it isn't since there are alternatives.
You can have your opinion on people who have a different opinion than you, that's no reason to get personal and degrading.

 

[brennan]

Next brennan with take on bicycle manufacturers who "blackmail" her into paying more money for a higher quality bike. They should all cost the same regardless. The outrage! Jesus.

Your utter failure to grasp the concept is astounding. I refer you to the Menu Rik posted. *gasp* if you order a larger pizza it costs you more. These socialists are crazy.

 

[brainpan]

In a discussion thread people discuss. The discussion point here is whether to tip the pizza delivery guy or not. In your PoV Bugfatty's complaint is legit. In other member's PoV it isn't since there are alternatives.
You can have your opinion on people who have a different opinion than you, that's no reason to get personal and degrading.

True. But again, it was simple ignorance--as has been proven--that was speaking from the start.

Now that that excuse has been removed, we see pretty much the same whining 17 pages later.