Today I Learned #3: There's a wiki for everything!

[Arakhor]

Well, given that even in the History of Britain, as I recall, Merlin is the son of the Devil and employs magic to help out both Uther and Arthur, I rather doubt that he was intended as Christian there.

 

[Ajidica]

Well, given that even in the History of Britain, as I recall, Merlin is the son of the Devil and employs magic to help out both Uther and Arthur, I rather doubt that he was intended as Christian there.

So, there are two very different documents with very close names. Nennius' History of Britain written in Wales around 800, and Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain written around 1130. Merlin comes from Geoffrey of Momouth's work, and not Nennius'.
Arthur himself is depicted as a thoroughly Christian king, and Merlin himself occupies an ambiguous status, but still within the Christian framework. The idea that Merlin was some sort of 'defender of the old ways' (as depicted in The Mists of Avalon, for example) is a modern idea that is not based on any meaningful source, drawing instead from Margaret Murray's idea that Christian writers equated holdouts of non-christian beliefs as devil worship. (Which is largely demonstrated to be incorrect.)

 

[Arakhor]

I meant Geoffrey of Monmouth's work, yes.

 

[Josu]

all that may be true, but I'm pretty sure that the Lady of the Lake is real.

Autonote: do not insert a Monty Python and the Holy Grail quote here

 

[r16]

generalized response to people questioning stuff , there is no general movement to streamline stuff as it were , with banning evil eyes and stuff . Because this echo chamber thing ı follow would have thousand posts on the hypocracy of fighting traditions of the land and livelyhood of evil eye makers while supporting pedophilia and what not ...

 

[Kyriakos]

Evil eye charms used to be a thing here too, although a number of decades ago (say the 60s). You can still find them, but only in flea market-type shops.

Wasn't the kurdish yashidism sacred animal/god a peacock? That could help explain the need to ban amulets with eyes, they may be a secret means of communication between members of the uprising

 

[Hrothbern]

Evil eye charms used to be a thing here too, although a number of decades ago (say the 60s). You can still find them, but only in flea market-type shops.

Wasn't the kurdish yashidism sacred animal/god a peacock? That could help explain the need to ban amulets with eyes, they may be a secret means of communication between members of the uprising

Last time I was in Turkey I bought as gift for my daughter nice evil eyes.
They had given me over time a nice real used horse shoe (for luck) that I had since then always in the trunk of my car, and they had given me a witch with a broom bungling from my rear mirror of the car (a no issue amulet against snow on roads).

 

[AmazonQueen]

Last time I was in Turkey I bought as gift for my daughter nice evil eyes.
They had given me overtime a nice real used horse shoe (for luck) that I had since then always in the trunk of my car, and they had given me a witch with a broom bungling from my rear mirror of the car (a no issue amulet against snow on roads).

My mum has put a horseshoe over the door (to keep the fey out of the house) everywhere shes lived.

 

[EnglishEdward]

@Hrothbern

Do they do an amulet with a balloon to stop you falling through...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...te-on-thawing-canals-after-spate-of-accidents

 

[Hrothbern]

@Hrothbern

Do they do an amulet with a balloon to stop you falling through...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...te-on-thawing-canals-after-spate-of-accidents

When the wind is in your back that balloon would be perfect
IDK about the existence of amulets against falling through ice.
From tradition it should be a long pole that in traditional time was used to cross small canals, and is a safe tool to help someone who did fall through ice without risking your own. Ladders (one leg) are also used.
That traditional farmer's pole (3-4 meter), crossing canals became a traditional sport as well, now only in Friesland and called fierljeppen.
At the start the traditional example, at 1 minute 15 seconds the sports way with a long pole and at 1:30 a nice one with good climbing in the pole..

 

[Valka D'Ur]

So, there are two very different documents with very close names. Nennius' History of Britain written in Wales around 800, and Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the Kings of Britain written around 1130. Merlin comes from Geoffrey of Momouth's work, and not Nennius'.
Arthur himself is depicted as a thoroughly Christian king, and Merlin himself occupies an ambiguous status, but still within the Christian framework. The idea that Merlin was some sort of 'defender of the old ways' (as depicted in The Mists of Avalon, for example) is a modern idea that is not based on any meaningful source, drawing instead from Margaret Murray's idea that Christian writers equated holdouts of non-christian beliefs as devil worship. (Which is largely demonstrated to be incorrect.)

After slogging through The Mists of Avalon, I find I prefer the First Knight movie's version. That movie does not contain Merlin, Mordred, or Morgan. The villain's name does start with "M", however - Sir Malagant, who abandoned the Round Table and opted for conquest of neighboring kingdoms.

But if you want a fun take on this... the Sword of Godric Gryffindor is really Excalibur and the Giant Squid in the lake is really the Lady of the Lake (in disguise). Oh, and Merlin was in Slytherin House.

According to one of the very long fanfics I'm currently reading (up to chapter 172 at the moment).

 

[Samson]

According to one of the very long fanfics I'm currently reading (up to chapter 172 at the moment).

Haven't we just established that all Arthurian stories are fanfics. "Cannon" is lost in the mists of time.

 

[Kyriakos]

Canon ^_^

 

[Hrothbern]

After slogging through The Mists of Avalon, I find I prefer the First Knight movie's version. That movie does not contain Merlin, Mordred, or Morgan. The villain's name does start with "M", however - Sir Malagant, who abandoned the Round Table and opted for conquest of neighboring kingdoms.

But if you want a fun take on this... the Sword of Godric Gryffindor is really Excalibur and the Giant Squid in the lake is really the Lady of the Lake (in disguise). Oh, and Merlin was in Slytherin House.
According to one of the very long fanfics I'm currently reading (up to chapter 172 at the moment).

I like most the King Arthur movie with the Sarmatian knights.
Those Sarmatians played a really interesting role in late Roman and post Roman era Europe and are imo very much overlooked in national history as people get that at schools.
Their banner with the dragon ofc nice in a fantasy world setting with Arthur (the son of Uther Pendragon)

This a link to a summary at secondary school level: https://www.marres.education/sarmatic_traces.htm
here some pieces

In Britain:

The [Sarmatian] cavalry that in the third century in Britannia, Great Britain, was stationed is after a short time withdrawn, but one company, the ala prima Sarmatarum, stayed and was finally stationed in Bremetenacum Veteranorum, located near current Ribchester in Lancashire. Here they settled with wives and children. there are archaeological finds. (7a). The best known is the cenotaph in Chester. See for this the story of King Arthur.

The Alanian origin of the Legends of King Arthur and his Knights Table
from the Narts saga
In the year 175 AD a treaty was concluded between the Roman emperor and the Sarmatians. One of the stipulations was that the Sarmatians would provide Rome with a cavalry of 8,000 men.
5,500 of them formed the sixth legion Victrix, that was sent to Britain. They are placed at the northern border of the Roman Empire near on Hadrian's Wall, the barrier against the Picts and Saxons. Later they were largely withdrawn from Britain.

One company, the Ala prima Sarmatorum stayed permanently in England and during a long time a great Sarmatian colony of soldiers existed in Bremetenacum Veteranorum, at current Ribchester in Lancashire where veterans were given land and settled with their wives and children in the 4th century. In this region are Sarmatian tombstones preserved.

France:

Childerik, ± 440-480, the first known Frankish king, was in the same time by the Romans assigned to a large area in Tournai. His tomb was discovered in 1652 in the church of Saint Brice and therein were except Germanic also clear Sarmatian marks.
Childerik was a son or at least a descendant of the semi-legendary king Merovech. From Merovech recounts a legend that he is the son of a princess and a sea monster.
This shows similarities with the Sarmatian Nart saga. The ancestor of the main gender the Urismag sprung from the commitment of progenitor Achsartag with a sea nymph, daughter of the sea god Donbettir.

The story of the betrayal of Siegfried by the Burgundians:

The Nibelungen a Burgundian saga
From this time, the fifth century, date the events recounted in several epics as the Edda and the Nibelungen. The epic of the Nibelungen is first recorded in Passau on the Danube around the year 1200. It recounts the Dutch-German hero Siegfried (Zegevrijt) of Xanten, who defeated the Snake Dragon (Ribbon Dragon) and by the bath in his blood had become invulnerable.

The ribbon dragon seems to be a metaphor for the drago, the wing- and legless dragon that the Sarmatians had as standard and field character. Sarmatians were encamped in that time on the Rhine near Xanten. Siegfried conquered the land and the treasure of the Nibelungen on the edge of his empire. Regarding Nibelungen is thought to Niviella the current Nivelles.

Siegfried went to the court of Gundahar, king of Burgundy at Worms to marry his Sister Kriemhilde. The father of Gundahar was king Dankwart and an influential uncle was called Hagen of Tronje, which is akin to Traiana, another name for Castra Vetera located near Xanten.

Betrayed by his envious sister-in-law Brunhilde Siegfried is murdered by Hagen. His widow Kiemhilde then marries King Etzel, the Hun Attila, who had in Pannonia. now Hungary his capital. The wedding turned into a massacre between Huns and Burgundians

 

[Arakhor]

But if you want a fun take on this... the Sword of Godric Gryffindor is really Excalibur and the Giant Squid in the lake is really the Lady of the Lake (in disguise). Oh, and Merlin was in Slytherin House.

According to one of the very long fanfics I'm currently reading (up to chapter 172 at the moment).

I believe that Merlin was canonically the founder of Slytherin.

 

[tjs282]

I believe that Merlin was canonically the founder of Slytherin.

Whose canon?

According to JKR, the founder was Salazar Slytherin...

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I believe that Merlin was canonically the founder of Slytherin.

Nope. In all the material I've read about the founding of Hogwarts, Merlin is not one of the founders, though many characters evoke him in the same way that Muggles would say "God" or "Jesus" when speaking emotionally about something.

 

[Arakhor]

According to JKR, the founder was Salazar Slytherin...

Well, yes. I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote that. However, Merlin was one of the earliest members of Slytherin and possibly even taught by Salazar himself.

 

[Takhisis]

But, still, what canon is this?

 

[Arakhor]

I'm not going to track down references, because you can do that, but how many canons do you think there are?