As for ww2 vs modern classifications of tanks, a similar development has evolved with airforce and navy terminology. What the Americans today would call a destroyer, is basically what the Europeans are constructing as a frigate. A small difference in displacement, but the capabilities are mostly the same: various missile launchers, anti-air, powerful radar and sensor array, anti-submarine combat capability and a helipad + navy helicopter.
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ı think ı managed to identify only the or some sort of a Cromwell . One double barrelled thing in there somewhere is M-65 or whatever possibly from some anime . Red and gold one ? Exactly the thing to get the unit commander grab a solid stick , you know , for a swing .
ı think ı managed to identify only the or some sort of a Cromwell . One double barrelled thing in there somewhere is M-65 or whatever possibly from some anime . Red and gold one ? Exactly the thing to get the unit commander grab a solid stick , you know , for a swing .
The Zumwalt stealth "destroyers" are about the same displacement wise as the Baltimore-class heavy cruisers from WW2. Even the newer Burkes ("Flight III" whatever that means) are about the same weight as the Ticonderoga-class cruisers. The UK's Type 45/Darings are about 8500 t, which is about the same as the older Burkes. All of these, of course, dwarf destroyers as we knew them from the world wars.
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The tanks had been loaded onto trains. A fuel train at the head of the convoy was strafed by a German plane, immobilizing it and allowing for their capture.
The Maus is often mentioned, but there was another project approved by Hitler called the Ratte, weighing in at 1,000 tons.
It was cancelled by Albert Speer, but here’s what it would have looked like in comparison to other German tanks:
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There is this, but it's mobile artillery, not exactly a tank.
Then again if you have a battleship turret, you aren't a tank either.
The Ratte does look cool, of course. Doubt it could move around in the eastern front (or anywhere, tbh)
Then again if you have a battleship turret, you aren't a tank either.
The Ratte does look cool, of course. Doubt it could move around in the eastern front (or anywhere, tbh)
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The Schwerer Gustav railgun deployed by the Germans against Sevastopol was heavier than the proposed Ratte. Of course, it was a static artillery piece that was moved around by rail.
Gustav taking days to assemble and a crew of hundreds, I don’t think the Ratte would have been a terribly practical idea. It’s funny that the Germans were both the theorists of mobility and the practitioners of make it bigger at all costs.
Gustav taking days to assemble and a crew of hundreds, I don’t think the Ratte would have been a terribly practical idea. It’s funny that the Germans were both the theorists of mobility and the practitioners of make it bigger at all costs.
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the 1500 ton thing was the mobile 800mm . Should be available in the wikipedia page of Ratte .
ı don't expect to find the thing ı had in my mind so a double thing . Two Apollo crawlers of NASA back to back
and the even more practical
so that you can fly your flying boats over deserts with divert possibilities in case of emergencies ...
ı don't expect to find the thing ı had in my mind so a double thing . Two Apollo crawlers of NASA back to back
and the even more practical
so that you can fly your flying boats over deserts with divert possibilities in case of emergencies ...
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There was that plan to build the ice and sawdust carriers in Canada during WWII.
Not sure you could do that for a tank, but that’s out of my pay scale.
Not sure you could do that for a tank, but that’s out of my pay scale.
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habakkuk or whatever . Tried to do it for real . Decided a two engine bomber designed to be carrier capable would be much cheaper .
battleship gun on a "tank" . 64 tons , real life and saw service until Khrushev demanded more missiles everywhere
battleship turret on a tank , uhmm , difficult .
all 2700 tons of Yamato's . Watch for the shell next to the Tiger in the same scale . But ı should have known ı would have the top trumps or whatever that card is called with the most of anything .
battleship gun on a "tank" . 64 tons , real life and saw service until Khrushev demanded more missiles everywhere
battleship turret on a tank , uhmm , difficult .
all 2700 tons of Yamato's . Watch for the shell next to the Tiger in the same scale . But ı should have known ı would have the top trumps or whatever that card is called with the most of anything .
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The Maus was kinda like a Tiger turned up to 11, so I can sort of see how it got made, especially by a regime looking for "superweapons".
As for the Ratte, well I'm reminded about the old quote descibing the design process of the later H-Class battleships as a way for naval architects to avoid being sent to the eastern front.
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a proper fortress would have ranged every single peace of rock around for tens of kilometers and would drop its heavy gun shells accurately on approaching enemy . Sivastopol should have used its 12 inch turrets on approaching Wehrmacht . You know , being ready for any eventuality . The 1000 ton concept is a Soviet idea , Grotte the German designer took it home when Nazis decided the military cooperation should work against them . You know the 280mm or so guns of the Japanese in 1905 beating fortifications to fight enemy battleships of the era . The Medveyev tank thing , the Anglos insist on refusing to accept it as a tank because of the huge gun , impossible armour , even the kneeling to protect the running gear under fire . Stop thinking Anglocentric . Or do not , why do ı care ?
maus started on beating heavy fortifications . Ratte went one bigger . There is a thing about using 3 Tiger hulls to move a twin 280 turret in a similar spirit . There is something of a nightmare scenario , no doubt involving Theosophic BS of the early 20th Century and it involves nothing of keeping German draftsmen from the Ostfront . This is the American solution for bragging rights , despite that the warhead could have been easily delivered by a plane .
maus started on beating heavy fortifications . Ratte went one bigger . There is a thing about using 3 Tiger hulls to move a twin 280 turret in a similar spirit . There is something of a nightmare scenario , no doubt involving Theosophic BS of the early 20th Century and it involves nothing of keeping German draftsmen from the Ostfront . This is the American solution for bragging rights , despite that the warhead could have been easily delivered by a plane .
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