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TRIMAFIA [Game Thread]

post will be a tiny bit outdated since there have been a couple posts in between

I really dislike the pushing of "I'm a townie in all three games" which he seems to be trying to reinforce, and the pushing the idea that those putting effort into the game are scum - feels like lurker scum trying to breeze through.

I'm not particularly liking Kennigt play lately - I don't see how putting reason/scumhunting into votes today helps scum in other games rather then town.

I'm not sure why you think I say "effort is bad", or particularly such a biased spin "lawl reason is bad!". In fact, I say the opposite:
woah nelly that may or may not be true. I need to start marking down the ones who pretend day 1 and day 2 are relatively wastes of time.

So many times scum love to pretend to be ignorant townies, like me. And knowledgeable townies like to pretend to be nonknowledgeable townies too ("oooh I got a mason partner? Yeah, I'm like all the townies, I know nothing :mischief:")

I was a ignorant townie in game 1 of 3 back then, but now I'm an ignorant townie in 3/3 games.

Unvote; Vote: Kennigit for the lynch on Ninja which was stupid.

eh I still don't really think so. Sure there are some metagame things, but I mean assume that the games are independent (i.e. what we were told), I'm assuming probably 4 or 5 scum roles in each game? Hopefully the hosts didn't meta about "well takhisis's game will have more scum because there is a chance his scum will have died in the other games" or weighed it or something.

Because just saying 5 scum/30 each game or 4 scum/30:
P(A u B u C) with A, B, C as scum in game 1, 2, 3, P(A n B) = P(A)P(B) independent
with 5/30: 1/6 + 1/6 + 1/6 -3*(1/6)(1/6)+(1/6)^3 = 0.421
with 4/30: (4/30) + (4/30) + (4/30) - 3*(4/30)(4/30) + (4/30)^3 = 0.349

so I don't really care who I vote for as a townie in all 3 games, my odds are good enough.

I'll let the scum hunting in game 3 go to the scum in game 2 and game 1 who want to pretend they are town, where I only care about any scum and staying alive.
 
ninajeditted a quote in that post (had /QUOTE] without [/QUOTE]) but to add another thing:

we already confirmed with 2 night deaths with different methods of killing this game there is at least 4 scum (since two died prior to this game starting). And there were 2 nightkills in choxorn games.

probably a good 4-5 scum each game, so my assumptions are right.
 
This is the first day 2. What possible reason would anyone have had to be serious until now?

To win the game. And it's really day 4 from an evidence perspective.

You can't expect to get evidence from the first day on, but sometime it is needed.

Of course you can.

And due to your certainty of one of your list being scum, I have a feeling you are mafia either in Zacks or in Choxorns game.

So you think I'm bussing a team mate of mine for no reason whatsoever, in the early portion of the game, to achieve no conceivable goal or objective?

I never said brainless bandwagonning is a good thing. But if you say when there is a bandwagon one vote doesn't make a difference you are not much better then those bandwaggoneers. Yes, it didn't make a difference on that particular occasion, but if you changed your vote to a likelier suspect, it might have helped. But you did not. You only stated the random bandwagon was bad, without another suspect.

I can't control the actions of others. If they want make questionable lynches, my single vote can't supersede theirs. I presented Lamda as a suspect and was fine lynching him anyways that day.

I am not saying that so don't twist my words. I just think you were trying too hard to look townie.

So we should lynch those who want to find scum -- aka, lynch those who should be doing what the entire town should be doing?

Oh yeah and for the record: i am three times a vanilla townie. (just so that I can say told you so when I get lynched :smug: )

And why the heck did you roleclaim for no reason? You're just making a bigger case to be lynched
 
So you think I'm bussing a team mate of mine for no reason whatsoever, in the early portion of the game, to achieve no conceivable goal or objective?

I NEVER said one of them WAS actually scum. There is a large chance one of them is scum, due to the amount of mafia. Suppose: you are scum in Zack's game. You hope one of them is scum in Takhisis' game or in Choxorn's game. Gives you credibility, especially if you should be right. Furthermore it helps you win the other two games, increasing your score.


I can't control the actions of others. If they want make questionable lynches, my single vote can't supersede theirs. I presented Lamda as a suspect and was fine lynching him anyways that day.

But the reason why he was suspect was outdated soon, so why not search for a better suspect . On the ninjacow wagon for example.

So we should lynch those who want to find scum -- aka, lynch those who should be doing what the entire town should be doing?

Never said that either. I just think you are saying those random bandwagons are bad, without really trying to change something. Then you name 5 semi-random people, and say with certainty one of them is scum: of course the chances are large one of them is scum, considering the amount of maffiosi, but if I name every single townie, I am certain one of them is scum. That seems like you try to look like you really have a case, so look like townie.
 
How could it possibly be four days of evidence if everyone has three roles?

If someone is scum, he acts scummy across all days.
of course, this statement is weakened by fact that all roles were not given at the begining, but on daily basis
 
No, I chose kennigit, because I think he is likely scum. And yes, it is convenient for me. I can't drop everything for mafia, nor do I want to.

Yes but your not providing reasoning, or trying to push the bandwagon, which to me stinks of lurker trying to get on a safe vote with minimal investment.
I also am annoyed that you ignored the parts of li post that were arguments against your reasoning/timing and focussed on the easy tells I included for completeness.
So to reiterate visorslash

I don't see where you malcontent originated, t I don't see anything productive in discussing is with you.
Helpful, so very helpful.
Very scummy response here....
@Dreadnaught, it would really help if you provided reasoning for your votes/suspicions, as opposed to just breadcrumbing it for us. This:
What makes you think this list is random?
Possibly its the fact that you are giving no reasoning your votes...

I see it helping town in the game where the scum hunting is done, as then townies who are scum in other games can use that to potentially win in that game without affecting their chances in the other ones. I.e. If we have a list of 3 suspects in one game, we lynch one (rightly or wrongly), the next scum team might (if they are all townie in the first game) choose to nightkill one of the other suspects to try and win that game as well as get 1 townie closer to victory in the game(s) where they are scum in.
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The problem here is its very difficult to tell who is scum in which game, as opposed to looking for acummy reasoning throughout.
Still I do agree here.
 
Sorry xposted with a page.
Kennigit this is the post I found suspicious:
well because, as a townie in all three games, I don't really care who I vote for as there is a good enough chance they are scum in one of the games.

people that care the most are people who are scum in 1 game or 2 games, know that, and wish to win the other games with their mafia teammates and also win as town in one. I.e. people who were mafia this game, xenoneb and samsniped, didn't know each other were mafia in this game, and couldn't try to do silly little bandwagon things game 1 and 2 if needed.

Though I asked the GMs before the game started and they never confirmed nor denied that would be the case [that mafia do not know each other in future games at the start], but guessing by getting townie role PMs in game 2 after game 1 finished its phase I assume it is universally* true
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which yeah, I didn't scum hunt in this game (or really not at all).

*huehuehue because we're universe hopping
So that's where my conclusions came from, and I stick with the idea that you felt no need to scum hunt and didn't care who was getting lynched - a scummy reaction - and that you were trying to reinforce your own innocence more then finding scum.
 
Tally, by order of first voter:
Kennigit: Jarrema; spaceman98; Visorslash (3)
spaceman98: azzaman333 (1)
Visorslash: Qgqqqqq (1)
Dreadnought: Darth Feather (1)
azzaman333: Mat93 (1)
Darth Feather: JoanK; Dreadnought (2)
Qgqqqqq: classical_hero (1)​
 
Some potential scum to chew on:
Classical Hero:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12370865#post12370865 random vote, nothing to see here.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12370934#post12370934. Same day, fos: Qqqqqqqqqqq for no perticular reason.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12379882#post12379882. More randomitude
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12380568#post12380568 nothing here.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12400039#post12400039. Votes on one of the people putting the most effort into analysing.
Conclusion: Lurker or liability, no clear scum reading.
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Terran Emperor
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12370160#post12370160
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12370232#post12370232 :sleep:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12382179#post12382179. Second vote on the Optical wagon. Optical flipped town, but TE wasn't necissarily scum here,

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12389038#post12389038 joke

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12393530#post12393530. Shameless NC wagon vote.

Conclusion: No read. seems somewhat scummy but will wait.
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12369995#post12369995
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12380059#post12380059
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12382207#post12382207 Does not get on the optical wagon, instead lurker hunts. Not bad for the situation
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12392575#post12392575. Reveals the truth about PMlessness. How did he know this?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12392599#post12392599 Says NC is probably innocent
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12393567#post12393567 and wagons on NC.
Conclusion: *Dalek voice* EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN! Why did you vote ninja, despite being one of the first to prove him innocent?
 
Vote Sirtommygun

that is an extensive pile of evidence you have there, and i cant help but agree with you
 
Newer tally for bookkeeping purposes:
Kennigit: Jarrema; spaceman98; Visorslash (3)
spaceman98: azzaman333 (1)
Visorslash: Qgqqqqq (1)
Dreadnought: Darth Feather (1)
azzaman333: Mat93 (1)
Darth Feather: JoanK; Dreadnought (2)
Qgqqqqq: classical_hero (1)
sirtommygunn: Visorslash; Terran Emperor (2)​
 
I'd support a sirtommygun lynch.

Unvote, vote sirtommygun.

I'd like to double back on darth and the rest of my list though. If ya'll still are wondering about my list, reread their days (day 3 in particular).... they're postings were scummy.
 
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12392575#post12392575. Reveals the truth about PMlessness. How did he know this?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12392599#post12392599 Says NC is probably innocent
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12393567#post12393567 and wagons on NC.
Conclusion: *Dalek voice* EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN! Why did you vote ninja, despite being one of the first to prove him innocent?

Takhisis confirmed that no pm's = town like, 4 posts above that. I voted Ninja because I haven't really had much time for this game between finals, the NFL draft, and babysitting, so I did the lazy thing.
 
unvote; vote: classical_hero

I really don't like the "you're being lazy so you're scum" argument from him, when he's been nothing but lazy himself.
 
ok, I will hammer him. unvote; vote: sirtommygun because I think there is convincing case against him. And even if he is innocent, we will have something to analyze
 
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