Triple Your Governments MOD - v5 FULLY FUNCTIONAL

a few things:
first off, with my previous status as "the" weimar_republic, I will put a little input into this holacaust {spelling?} debate.

I am a leftist. I think that its discusting. its horrible, it is the single worst event in the all of the history of the planet. I wish it never happened, and if I had my way, I would plug hitler into a machine that causes pain but does not kill... BUT, an its a big but, it DID happen. Hitler DID live. hitler DID bring germany out of the depression, and DID almost conquor the world. he was, in terms of the economey, brilliant. he was, however, in terms of social belifs, a total idiot. His "final solution" which is a possible rename, was helpfull to his empire. He made the nazi's happy. it did, however, decrese population. The important thing is that is did happen, and we should talk about it, and it should be in the game. since I am not allowed to respond to the mod's action here, I will just say that in your first post you have 4 well names wonders.

second, gov suggestions:
this thread is so long, I have skimmed it, and will comment on the gov's in your primary post. I havent played the game yet, it was the first topic I replied about that made me emotionally active enough to reply. my motto is talk ABOUT it dont talk IN it. {say "hitler was a good man" not "all jews suck" although I disagree with both these statements. I, in fact, have a good jewish friend.} back to the gov's

Capitalism
should get in alot of money, and production.
no martial law
3 corruption {scale of 0-10, despotisim in game at 10}
pay to rush build
no paied for units
warwerriness level at 6
1 deaft, big resentment
1+1/2 worker prod.

Corporatism
should get alot of money, and if possible, more money
matrial law, 2 units
4 cor
pay ro rush
1-2-3 paied for units {town-city-metro}
warwerriness at 5
2 draft, big resentment
1+1/2 worker prod.

Social Democracy and/or Democratic Socialism
should get alot of production
no martial law
2 cor
pay to rush
no paied for units
1 draft, unimmaganable resentment, highest possible level. SD's hate war
1+1/2 worker prod.

Soviet Communism {stalinist please, lenin was a marxist}
should get +2 prod if possible maybe more food if not possible
high martial law, 5, 6 maybe
5 cor
pop to rush
3-4-5 units
2 draft, low resentment

Fascism
money and prod, minus food for the minorities exiled/killed
high martial law, same as SovCom
5 cor
pop to rush
3-4-5 units
2 draft, no resentment {possible}

REAL Communisim {you call it marxist}
should get alot of production
no martial law
0 cor {hey, on paper its susposta work this way... just like when I draw a picture on paper, I can be the king of the world :)}
pop to rush
no paied for units
1 draft, very high resentment
1+1/2 worker prod.

palace distance things for things like communisim and socialisim and realated gov's, plus corproate stuff.

my suggested gov's:

Social Conservativism {pellaken_kee@hotmail.com, I plan to make a political party} the main belif is that the rich should have to pay high taxes, but businesses shouldent have to pay taxes so high that they leave for other nations. we also belive in a big military, but that it shouldent be used unless nessacary. etc...

extra prod
no martial law
3 cor
pay to rush
2 free unit per settlement {menaing free defence, pay for offence}
1 draft, high resentment


some suggestions to de-leftise the game
make leftwing improvements cost alot. the way I see it, production is a left wing thing. left wings should take away money, and make production in exchange. right wing things, should take away production, but give money in exchange. perhaps this helps?

well, this post is quite long enough already... time to go and test the mod out :)
 
ComradeRed should not be forced to remove the holocaust. Civ3 already has many far more evil things in it, why single out the holocaust? I mean you can wage wars, raze cities to the ground and commit genocide without a mod already. We have the pyramids, which was built with slave labor. We have Magellan's voyage - which paved the way for European Colonization that killed far more then the Jewish Holocaust. We can use forced labor to work our populations to death. We have monarchies, which have committed many more atrocities then fascists. And nuclear weapons and tons of other evil things. If all these evil things can be in here, then I see no reason why the Jewish Holocaust can't be allowed in a mod as well.

Civilization is supposed to be based on history. And the history of civilization is filled with evil and atrocities and crimes against humanity, just as it has many wonders. Unfortuently our history isn't all happy go-lucky. Pretending these things didn't happen will not make them go away.
 
The Pyramids were not built by slaves.
 
Certain words obviously carry enormous emotional weight, so why use them? I believe the very contemporary "Ethnic Cleansing" covers all (and here I speak quite literally) sins from deportation to genocide.

However, as these barbarities certainly can and perhaps should be incorporated, I would suggest it be an "improvement", carried out locally, rather than a minor wonder, with the attributes "Resistant To Propoaganda" and "Reduce Corruption" AND generates 1 Unhappy Face.

Humbly,

Oz
 
Originally posted by ruprecht
Okay, why would any civilization want to build this Holocaust wonder if its sole purpose is to give other nations a rational to attack them? Even a concentration camp city improvement needs a rational. Does it cut down on crime? Scare your population into submission?

It makes little sense to have game options that only a lunatic would choose, even its based on a historical reality.

Of course if the Holocaust could somehow kill off all people in your civ not of your nationality you could end dissent in your captured cities. Rid yourself of all the Zulu's and Babylonians in the cities you captured and leave just your race.
 
I have created my own government additions, however I'm doing them seperately rather than in 1 file. My solution to the negetive of Fascism was simple.

I took the view that to balance the unhappiness caused by limted civil rights, a fascist regime would have to embark on expensive domestic propaganda projects.

I then thought, Imagine these virtual projects and their affect on the game. I just place corruption and waste up to catastrophic, as I felt that these alone would make the government and citizens more inclined to spend money on other such projects, wasting money.

The corruption also balances out the higher production rates.
 
Does the game still crash for all of you when you build some of the wonders; Holocaust, Free Trade Agency & Das Kapital? In my version anyway it used to, but with a few changes I made, I think I've fixed it. Reply if you want me to post the fixed files :).
 
Originally posted by celtic_bhoy
Does the game still crash for all of you when you build some of the wonders; Holocaust, Free Trade Agency & Das Kapital? In my version anyway it used to, but with a few changes I made, I think I've fixed it. Reply if you want me to post the fixed files :).

It would be great, if you can post these fixes.
I tried to fix it myself, but I was not able to do it yet.

Lakon
 
Hey lakon just go into photoshop and change all the wondersplashes to indexed color files and it should work.
 
Details, Details............ I don't know why my mod won't work right...... if that person would post the fixed version........... I could put it in the beginning of the post, giving credit where due of course.
 
A fast but not very elegant solution is to copy one of the working wondersplashes and rename it to the broken ones.
You will get the picture of the wrong wonder but you can build it.

Lakon
 
ComradeRed, are you still working on this mod? Lots of nice ideas, good work...
 
well, not anything that's gonna be released soon. I made my own little fun mythical civilization and added a broadcasting tower that primarily creates culture.
 
hopefully I can get your mod working when I finally get my copy of Civ3 (yes, I know I haven't gotten it yet!)... As a marxist myself, I cringed when I saw how the 'base' game depicted communism. The evil, "forced labor" depiction is just pain. It's sad how bad Stalin corrupted such a system.

But nonetheless, I'm glad someone stood up and fixed what needed to be fixed... :)
 
Did this mod ever get fully functional? It sounds like one of the best ones, PERIOD. Civ3's government structures are far too simplistic.

And not everyone has photoshop.

Oh, also: "Holocaust" is spelled like that. :)
 
Hey, finally found this site again. :)
Sorry to see work on the mod stopped.
I've got my own gov-mod tweaked, but I just don't know how to set them up right in the tech-tree.
Anyway, been playing with this some more, and..
Am I missing something big, or is there really no reason to ever switch from Anarcho-Socialism, which can be achieved fairly early on?
 
ComradeRed, Hey sounds awesome, please post a confirmation when its fixed. I just got registerd. I have been at Apolyton.
 
Yeah, let us know if you update... I just recently got my Civ3 and your mod seems really awesome...
 
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