Does a painting 'experience' the drying of paint while it's being painted?
Don't you need sentience to process events when you call it 'experiencing'?
Actually, no. Chemical reactions happen regardless of whether an object or lifeform understands what's happening to it.
Elizondo was in charge of the program compiling the evidence and he said it during a 60 Minutes interview
Not good enough. I don't watch 60 Minutes. Don't tell me to watch it online, because the American networks have their content geoblocked here.
I didn't say the Big Dipper was part of the zodiac, I said the Big Dipper and the zodiac were astrology
Astrology = zodiac. After all, you don't have 'signs' and horoscopes in the newspaper for Orion or Corvis or Cetus or Draco (the constellation, not that annoying brat in the Harry Potter movies) or any of the other non-zodiacal constellations.
The Big Dipper is an asterism. I already explained that. It's not an official constellation in its own right, at least according to modern non-indigenous reckoning.
they are part of astrology too, so astronomy and astrology intersect and we dont know if astrology originally had some validity.
Nope, and it never did. Of course that's something that wasn't understood until the 17th century. Johannes Kepler made more money casting horoscopes than he did at real science, but he put in a great deal of time in experimenting, which is more than most did before.
Can the location of the planets and Earth and the seasons play a role in birth traits for example? Idk, its possible. Do babies born early spring differ slightly from those born late fall?
I was born not quite two weeks before the summer solstice (my birthday is 4 days from now; a birthday thread would be nice, hint hint
). Yet summer is my least favorite time of year because it's too friggin' hot much of the time and I can't open my windows because the screens are full of holes and I'm not willing to share this apartment with several hundred mosquitoes and an undetermined number of wasps (there's a nest somewhere nearby).
I remember studying this stuff as an impressionable 13-year-old and marveling how all of it was so true in my case. I fit the Gemini/Mercury profile spot-on. But I noticed, as did Carl Sagan, that horoscopes on the same day in different newspapers and astrology magazines don't match. If there's anything valid to this, they should match perfectly.
The Zulu have a myth claiming their ancestors who they called the artificial ones went to war with the apemen when the war star rose in the sky. I doubt that refers to Mars because its always rising except when its behind something.
Which does not prove astrology.
I think astrology grew out of human interactions with these aliens. Their comings and goings would have been important to mankind, so astrology was born to keep track of the divinity.
Astrology all over the world? Hm. Chinese, Babylonian, Persian, Arabic, Egyptian, and so on and on and on... all based on a rock painting of a Louis Vuitton handbag. Well, who knew? TIL. I must run off and post this in the science forum at TrekBBS and hope the moderator there waits at least 5 minutes before handing me an infraction for spam (she's unforgiving on pseudo-science).
As we saw from the biblical passage of the disciples asking Jesus when he would return, look for the water bearer. The age of Aquarius. That must have bummed them out, Pisces had just begun.
This is a prediction that's been going on for most of the last two millennia. Personally I prefer the Hitchhiker's Guide's take on it.
Then why did they choose a calf? Because it represented the prior age, Moses understood the significance. Jesus was the lamb of God and fisher of men, that is astrological and astronomical.
Moses had a royal education that would have included what the Egyptians knew of astronomy. But Moses wasn't there when Aaron made the calf. Aaron had no such royal education, having grown up a slave. So when he was told to make an idol, he picked one he'd seen the Egyptians worshiping. It could have been anything.
(all of which presupposes that Moses and Aaron were real people, which has never been definitively confirmed for lack of evidence)
People will be making those machines. The alien miners need food too, maybe thats why people built temples to them with offerings of food. God made the Garden and brought Adam eastward from his home to tend it. Sounds like food was a priority for God. What does the all knowing and all powerful mighty Oz need with food?
"Excuse me... What does God need with a starship?" /James T. Kirk
If robots were employed wouldn't they be used for extreme conditions while humans mine where they can? You're arguing either or, why not both robots and humans? Underground caverns are typically climate controlled, cave systems would have been popular during the ice age. Humans have always used critters for various purposes... Critters use critters. If we landed on an earth like world wouldn't we use certain critters to help with our mission? We might even bring some or genetically modify the ones we found.
Bring our own machines... yeah, stipulated. We have several of them roaming around Mars. Canada wants to participate in a project to put a similar rover on the Moon (to look for water/ice, not actual life).
But no ethical expedition would interfere with any native life we found (she said optimistically).
