UKIP go from strength to strength

[gay_Aleks]

Doesn't it make sense? By making UK crappier, less immigrants will come.

It all makes perfect and reasonable sense.

 

[Borachio]

I propose unlimited immigration for everyone. In fact, I'd declare Open Planet Day (or Year), and allow everyone free movement all the time.

Why not?

Who's to say that national borders have any validity at all? Isn't there in reality just one globe with people scuttling about all over it, willy nilly anyway?

And what is there to fear from unlimited migration? There's certainly physical room enough even on a relatively small island like Britain. And if its population tripled, imagine what an industrial powerhouse it would constitute!

Still, if people don't like immigrants (and you're really not obliged to; I myself am not fond of French Huguenots with the name Farage who have German wives; oh and there's that "blessed" royal family: Germans and Greeks to a man the lot of them), then don't let them in. And to make sure they don't slip in unnoticed, why not have a National Identity Card and deport anyone who doesn't have one about their person at all times?


Or, and I'm going out on a limb here, why not, instead of inviting people into the country, keep quiet, and don't offer them work when they do arrive?

 

[Oruc]

So why do you want the UK to leave the EU Quackers? Is it just the immigration thing, and is that one issue sufficient to counter all the negatives of leaving Europe in your opinion?

He believes in progress? That would seem the obvious answer

 

[Truronian]

He believes in progress? That would seem the obvious answer

The obvious answer is a fluffy positive statement with no explanation? You could say he 'believes in birds' and it would answer my question no better.

 

[useless]

It'll be interesting to see the full force of companies and industries who want Britain to stay in the EU if and when it comes to an actual vote

 

[gay_Aleks]

What if for some reasons amazing, they want out? Maybe they want to annex independent Scotland without the stupid European court with it's stupid decisions to wave around?

 

[Oruc]

The obvious answer is a fluffy positive statement with no explanation? You could say he 'believes in birds' and it would answer my question no better.

If that's what you choose to believe

 

[Domen]

all the negatives of leaving Europe

Don't use the word "Europe" when you mean "the EU" (the European Union).

There is no reason to call the EU "Europe", not even for the sake of posting faster ("the EU" has 5 letters and "Europe" has 6).

 

[Arakhor]

Haven't you heard? UKIP's latest plan is to abscond from the Eurasian continental shelf entirely!

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

Don't use the word "Europe" when you mean "the EU" (the European Union).

There is no reason to call the EU "Europe", not even for the sake of posting faster ("the EU" has 5 letters and "Europe" has 6).

Yesterday I had a almost deal-breaking miscommunication with a potential Japanese customer because I was talking about subsidies for those in the EU and she didn't realise I was including the UK.

She has lived in the UK for 20 years and has permanent residency. She's clearly been infected by the British media's inability to get basic terms right when discussing the EU.....

 

[classical_hero]

So why do you want the UK to leave the EU Quackers? Is it just the immigration thing, and is that one issue sufficient to counter all the negatives of leaving Europe in your opinion?

I don't know why you would want to b part of it, since the union currently as it stand is undemocratic and can overrule the will of the people.

 

[PaganJulian]

I don't know why you would want to b part of it, since the union currently as it stand is undemocratic and can overrule the will of the people.

That could be changed, but euro-sceptics wouldn't want it changed. It gives them a nice little club to use against their opponents. I think must British people who want to leave the EU would admit that their problem with it is not the current conception or formation of the Union itself. In their gut they simple don't want 'their' nation to be ruled and meddled with by 'someone else'. They don't want these 'someone elses', with their slightly odd ways, to be telling them what the can and can't do. No matter how democratic the EU gets that feeling will never go away.

 

[bhsup]

The problem with the Continent is it's so full of Continentals?

 

[Takhisis]

And then you run into what might be termed the zeroeth law of lawmaking - a law is only valid if the lawmaker can enforce it.

Which is another thing Lord Templeman says. Am I allowed to quote a Jew?

Getting more votes than anyone else isn't a popular mandate?

Really? I think I did say that Thatcher's conservatives got more seats than (Old) Labour but got less votes than them, didn't I?
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It's not that uncommon to confuse the BNP and UKIP. Why, a lot of BNP supporters make the same mistake, casting their ballot for UKIP, over and over again. The silly sausages.

[quackersmode]You're just a tankie. Everyone is a fascist to you.[/quackersmode]

Haven't you heard? UKIP's latest plan is to abscond from the Eurasian continental shelf entirely!

What a pulchritudinous statement!

I don't know why you would want to b part of it, since the union currently as it stand is undemocratic and can overrule the will of the people.

You mean the union between England and Scotland?

 

[Truronian]

Don't use the word "Europe" when you mean "the EU" (the European Union).

There is no reason to call the EU "Europe", not even for the sake of posting faster ("the EU" has 5 letters and "Europe" has 6).

It was stylistic, I was trying to avoid repeated use of the 'the EU'.

I don't know why you would want to b part of it, since the union currently as it stand is undemocratic and can overrule the will of the people.

The European Parliament is elected democratically, via proportional representation.

 

[Antilogic]

The problem with the Continent is it's so full of Continentals?

But their breakfasts! Nooo...

 

[useless]

UKIP allies with Neo-Nazi MEP to secure funding

Ukip has struck a deal with a Polish MEP whose far-right party leader casually uses racial slurs and questions the Holocaust following fears that its grouping in Europe would lose millions of pounds in taxpayers’ funds.

Nigel Farage’s Europe of Freedom and Direct Democracy group recruited an MEP from the Congress of the New Right with the blessing of its controversial leader Janusz Korwin-Mikke, according to reports from Poland. The Polish MEP Robert Iwaszkiewicz is to join the EFDD’s ranks as an individual, which will restore the group, a Ukip spokesman said.

The deal means that the EFDD group, set up by Farage, has 25 MEPs from seven countries, which should guarantee that Ukip will maintain about £1m a year in funding. The group received €2.6m (£2.1m) in 2013. Ukip accounts for 53.3% of the group.

The deal is yet to be confirmed by the European parliament, after Iwaszkiewicz’s application was handed in this afternoon.

Korwin-Mikke, whose party has two remaining MEPs and received 7.5% support in Poland during May’s European parliamentary elections, is one of the most outspoken figures within the far-right groupings of parliament.

In July, he declared in English that the minimum wage should be “destroyed” and said that “four million [N-Word]” lost their jobs in the US as a result of President John F Kennedy signing a bill on the minimum wage in 1961. He went on to claim that 20 million young Europeans were being treated as “negroes” as a result of the minimum wage. He refused to apologise and was fined 10 days of allowances for his comments.

Korwin-Mikke, whose party has two remaining MEPs and received 7.5% support in Poland during May’s European parliamentary elections, is one of the most outspoken figures within the far-right groupings of parliament.

In July, he declared in English that the minimum wage should be “destroyed” and said that “four million ” lost their jobs in the US as a result of President John F Kennedy signing a bill on the minimum wage in 1961. He went on to claim that 20 million young Europeans were being treated as “negroes” as a result of the minimum wage. He refused to apologise and was fined 10 days of allowances for his comments.

Korwin-Mikke has also called for the vote to be taken away from women, has claimed that the difference between rape and consensual sex is “very subtle” and said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated”.

Marine Le Pen, the leader of the Front National, ruled out forming an alliance with the Congress of the New Right after the European elections. “His [Korvin-Mikke’s] remarks, his political views ran contrary to our values,” she said at the time.

The EFDD has been desperate to recruit a new MEP since last Thursday, when Iveta Grigule, a Latvian member of the group, resigned. This meant that the group only had MEPs from six EU member states, just below the number needed to qualify for official group status.

Farage accused Martin Schulz, the president of the European parliament, of acting as the head of a “banana republic”. He said that pressure was placed on Grigule to stand down if she wanted to lead a parliamentary delegation to Kazakhstan.

Polish newspapers reported that a Ukip official negotiated with the Congress of the New Right in Poland this weekend over plans to give a single MEP to EFDD.

A spokesman for Ukip did not respond to questions asking what Ukip has promised the Congress of the New Right in return for allowing the EFDD to be revived or whether they had negotiated directly with Korwin-Mikke.

In a statement to the BBC, Farage accused Schulz, a German socialist, of “manipulative backroom politics of the worst kind”.

“EU federalists will be sitting in a corner somewhere slowly rocking, muttering the words ‘please make the Eurosceptics go away’ over and over,” Farage said. Last week Schulz denied any wrongdoing in connection with Grigule’s decision to leave the EFDD.

Iwaszkiewicz said he joined EFDD “because of two important values – opposition to EU bureaucracy and support for free markets”.

Welp! Good to know that UKIP will sell out the rights of women so it can continue raking in money.

 

[Borachio]

Really? I think I did say that Thatcher's conservatives got more seats than (Old) Labour but got less votes than them, didn't I?

FEWER. (The votes themselves weren't smaller. All ballot papers are much the same size, afaik.)

Oh, the joy of catching a grammar nazi out!

And shouldn't it strictly be "than they"? (Which is ponderous, I know. So I'd have written "than they did".)

Still, I daresay you wrote all that very deliberately.
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[Tahuti]

and said that Adolf Hitler was “probably not aware that Jews were being exterminated"

I don't find this assertion offensive at all. He isn't denying the Holocaust, he is merely stating that Hitler's underlings more likely to had full knowledge than Hitler himself. This is not even to say Hitler wasn't responsible. I think comparisons of Israel to Nazi Germany are more offensive than this.

 

[Quackers]

UKIP allies with Neo-Nazi MEP to secure funding



Welp! Good to know that UKIP will sell out the rights of women so it can continue raking in money.

You have to break eggs to make an omlette.

UKIP are one of the few parties which treat people as individuals. Not a member of some group, you won't find UKIP treating women and ethnic minorities like simple minded special snowflakes. UKIP takes you on your individual merits. UKIP.