Unions and the decline of three industries

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The 1950s and '60s marked a golden age for the union movement. More than a third of the American workforce was unionized, and wages and benefits of most workers rose steadily. In order to achieve huge economies of scale, major industries became dominated by a few giant producers -- three major automakers, five chemical manufacturers, six steel makers and a handful of airlines -- that roughly coordinated prices and investments. And most blue-collar jobs in them were boiled down to certain predictable steps, done over and over. However, mass production depends on predictability so a strike or work stoppage would wreak havoc.

Today union membership in the private sector has fallen to under 9% and we've seen three industries that have been stranlged and on the decline for decades. There are some rays of hope though.


So why did this happen?
Jobs moving to Asia and Latin America?
President Reagan firing the air traffic controllers?
There may be some truth to that view but it’s way too simple.

It fails to account for the shift in the structure of the American economy, beginning in the late 1970s and '80s, that shattered the mass-production system of the mid-20th century. The shattering pushed every major company into intense competition for consumers and capital, and forced many of them to slash their payrolls.

First came global competition: Cargo ships, containers and satellite-communications technologies made it cheaper to make a lot of things abroad, Japanese and German manufacturers set up non-union factories in America.

Then came technology: Software made it possible to produce lots of things at low cost without mass production, and fiber-optic cables made it easy to outsource production anywhere.

Meanwhile, privatization and deregulation allowed lots of new entrants into airlines, trucking and government services.

The airline industry

Background: Airplanes require a huge amount of fixed capital to acquire airplanes. They also depend on skilled workers. Since airlines can’t afford to let planes sit idle, they can ill afford strikes.
However, the industry is still highly unionized.

Let's put in some perspective. Since 1978, when commercial aviation was deregulated in the U.S. 137 have filed bankruptcy. From the end of World War II through 2006, the sum of industry profits was less than zero.

Warren Buffett once remarked and I paraphrase...
"It would have been a blessing for shareholders if someone had thought to shoot down Orville Wright at Kitty Hawk".

The United Airline debacle. Exerpted from New York Times article "Into Thin Air" by Roger Lowenstein
Spoiler :
Rick Dubinsky, longtime head of the Airline Pilots Association at United made this clear when he began a wage negotiation. “We don’t want to kill the golden goose, we just want to choke it by the neck until it gives us every last egg”.

United pilots get paid for 81 hours a month but actually fly, on average, only 50 hours.

During acquisition talks of USAir in 1999 pilots opposed the acquisition because they would lose seniority to US Air pilots. A war ensued pilots refused overtime, some would taxi at 3 knots instead of 15, others flew lower to burn more fuel, or opened landing gear prematurely. Delays and cancellations soared. 40,000 flight and 50% distruptions cost the airline $700 million. So to quell the resistors the company caved in and gave them immediate 22 to 28% pay increases with 4.5% raises through 2004. Then the bottom fell out. The internet bubble burst as business travel crumbled and the U.S. Air merger was blocked.

This all happened before 9/11 when the company had to eliminate 20,000 jobs however a cruel twist of businesses with high fixed cost is they saved 23% on expenses but lost 39% in revenue. One reason is that the union rules dictate that each pilot be able to bid for better assignments (the bigger the plane, the higher the pay). So while the company furloughed 5% of their pilots they also were forced retrain hundreds for new assignments, an enormous waste.



On February 1, 2006, United emerged from Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection under which it had operated since December 9, 2002, the largest and longest airline bankruptcy case in history.

Unions?

Steel industry
A comparision of two business models:

Unionized US Steel Corp.
Non Union Nucor Steel Corp.
Spoiler :

wikipedia said:
None of Nucor's plants are unionized (this includes plants purchased from other owners as well as those built by Nucor from scratch). Nucor is highly opposed to unions, believing them to be the demise of the United States steel industry, and as of April 2006 no Nucor plant has held a successful union certification election. However, Nucor is not known to have engaged in the controversial "union busting" tactics adopted by other companies.

The Nucor Culture can be summarized in five areas: decentralized management philosophy, performance based compensation, egalitarian benefits, customer service and quality, and technological leadership.
All Nucor employees, from senior officers to hourly employees, are covered under one of four basic compensation plans (in addition to base pay) which reward employees for meeting certain incentive specific goals and targets.
The company claims to be the safest, highest quality, lowest cost, most productive and most profitable steel and steel products company in the world.
[url]http://www.nucor.com/aboutus.htm

Unions?

The U.S. auto industry.

First a story from the Chicago Tribune.
Spoiler :


FLINT, Mich. -- All day, Judy Rowe sits in a room at a large, old Delphi Corp. auto parts plant here, reading, sewing or staring into space. For this she earns $31.80 an hour.There are 70 people in this room, all employed by Michigan-based Delphi and protected by the United Auto Workers union. They clock in at 6 a.m. and clock out at 2:30 p.m. But there is nothing for them to do.

"I think I'm slipping into a depression," said Rowe, who has been languishing for six years in this strange and very unique form of unionized employment limbo known as the jobs bank. If there was work to do, they would be on the manufacturing lines. But there isn't. And they can't be laid off because their union contracts include this unique provision.

The jobs bank is a bullpen of sorts for surplus workers. It was designed two decades ago as a temporary haven that has become a permanent and expensive catch basin for declining auto industry companies. There are 4,000 workers in the jobs bank at Delphi, which has filed for bankruptcy, and an additional 6,300 in the jobs banks at struggling Ford Motor Co. and General Motors Corp. There are 2,500 more at Chrysler. At the Delphi East plant in Flint, they get their full salaries for sitting in a large room.
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The two leading domestic producers, General Motors and Ford, generate a seemingly endless litany of bad news. GM, which lost $10 billion last year, was forced to sell a big stake in its profitable GMAC financing arm to raise cash. Today, Ford announced it may sell its premier auto division to a private investment firm.

Non-union U.S.-based auto assembly plants made 1.1 million more vehicles in 2005 than they did in 2001, while production at unionized plants fell by 1.1 million. So even as union employees perform far, far below non-union employees automakers like Ford and GM must continue to pay the union employees their exorbitant wages and benefits packages because, by union contract, they can't be fired. Wall Street Journal

Kia Motors recently announced plans for a $1.2 billion assembly plant in Georgia that will employ some 2,500 workers and be capable of producing 300,000 vehicles a year when it opens in 2009. At the same time, Toyota said it would invest $230 million to expand an existing Subaru plant in Indiana in order to boost output of Camry sedans for the American market. These are just the latest in a long series of investments by carmakers from Japan, Germany and Korea in U.S. auto operations known as transplants.

In other words, the American auto industry is heading in two different directions. The big U.S.-based producers are reducing their domestic manufacturing presence, while foreign carmakers appear to see the United States as a land of endless opportunity. The latter now employ more than 50,000 U.S. workers (most of them non-union) at several dozen plants that account for about one-quarter of the country’s output of cars and trucks. “The domestic auto industry is as healthy as it has ever been,” a consultant recently told Business Week. “The names on the plants are just changing.”

No wonder Ford and GM are failing. Their struggles might not be entirely the fault of unions, but I wonder how many of the problems companies like Ford and GM have faced are secondary symptoms of labor problems with unions. After all, when you've got a labor force you can't get rid of that is eating up tremendous amounts of capital in wages and benefits while performing below par what can you do?

Cut costs in other areas, sell businesses. Cuts that more than likely result in a less-than-good-quality product which in turn causes a loss in market share to your competitors and the sale of quality businesses.


The the first obligation of an employer is to make a profit or else there are no jobs. Some people in the union movement seem to have lost sight of that.


Where does a union make sense?

It seems to me at Nucor their four clear-cut principles work quite well and should be adopted by these other industries.

  • Management is obligated to manage Nucor in such a way that employees will have the opportunity to earn according to their productivity.
  • Employees should be able to feel confident that if they do their jobs properly, they will have a job tomorrow.
  • Employees have the right to be treated fairly and must believe that they will be.
  • Employees must have an avenue of appeal when they believe they are being treated unfairly.
 
I think a lot more relevent to the failure of US auto companies is the fact that they're not making good cars that people want to buy.
 
The Illinois Coal Industry is one. My pops used to work in 3 mines, and was laid off by all 3, and he still is a staunch union supporter.
 
Undoubtedly it starts at the top and throughout the whole organization. I don't think it's too late for the automakers if they change and fast.
There are two major opportunities for the industry.
China and hybrids. There will be a dynamic shift in market share over the balance of the decade. Toyota already has a head start on hybrids with 7 of their top sellers and Lexus has 2.

The corporate culture at these firms must change from top to bottom. First and foremost they need to become leaner and more efficient. They’re too fat and too tied to out-of-date work habits.

They need to implement Toyota’s production system, which features greater cooperation between workers and management. 22% of Ford's vehicles come from flexible assembly lines and Toyota is at 73%.
I saw Bigfoot explain this recently.

The barriers that are created on the shop floor with the unions, the work rules, the ‘we-they’ mentality must be broken for them to be successful.
 
(forgive my lack of sources, please correct factual errors)

I am generally against unionization, at least as it has generally evolved in the United States. I see it as anti-competative in some senses. I do not plan to ever join a union.

However, like it or not, the employers in a sense made the monster, and have chosen to make deals with it.

Past experiences have shown that strikes hurt both union members and employers.

Unions are doing poorly in America. Americans trust unions about as much as they trust major corporations. They have grown a reputation as gangsters who are only out for themselves.

Unions seem these days to favor protectionism, because they cannot compete in a global marketplace. Some companies would rather outsource than deal with unionized workers.

These days the greatest union presense lies in the Federal Government, which has less pressure to be competative.

Unions do not have to be all bad, however:

Unnaturally high wages can encourage employers to invest in more capital to get the most out of each employee they have to overpay. This makes incentives for technology and more skilled jobs.

Unions can (but often do not, at least in the USA) work with employers to increase productivity and help everybody win.

Unions can encourage more equality of wages. Whether or not this is a good thing is debatable.

Obviously, unions can encourage improvements in working conditions, provide a voice for employees, and create solidarity (and thus motivation) among workers.
 
Arcadian83 said:
I am generally against unionization, at least as it has generally evolved in the United States. I see it as anti-competative in some senses. I do not plan to ever join a union.
In some sectors, paying union dues is compulsory, whether you are a member or not.

Unnaturally high wages can encourage employers to invest in more capital to get the most out of each employee they have to overpay. This makes incentives for technology and more skilled jobs.
I'd say the reverse is true. With more money to be spent on labor, less capital is availible to advance the company.

Unions can (but often do not, at least in the USA) work with employers to increase productivity and help everybody win.
Again, I'd argue the opposite. With the strength of a union behind them, an employee can reduce his or her actual productivity knowing full well that the union will stand with them in the event the company attempts to terminate them. In the last four years, only two teachers in New York City's school districts have been fired for incompetence.

Obviously, unions can encourage improvements in working conditions, provide a voice for employees, and create solidarity (and thus motivation) among workers.
Solidarity? Ever union meeting I've ever seen has the head of the respective division saying that it's "them versus us." Not really what I'd say is a unifying message, is it?
 
At the opposite of what most people think. Unions are very weak in France, a lot weaker than in most other European countries. Indeed, there are less than 10% of French workers which belong to a union.

However, there's only one area in which unions are strong in France: government-owned activities. Unfortunately, that means activities were it's very easy to annoy a large part of the population in going on strike: trains, subways, bus, post, education, urban cleaning (dustmen), etc...

I don't believe the problem is in union in themselves, but in their behaviour. France and the US are two countries were everything are seen as conflicts were one side should win over the other. At the opposite, in Northern European countries, people tend to believe they could reach an agreement which could be satisfying for everyone. As a result, you have a lot more efficient unions in Denmark or Sweden than in France or in the US.

So, would I say that unions are worthless ? In the French or US way... to some extent probably. In the Northern European way, certainly not.
 
rmsharpe said:
In some sectors, paying union dues is compulsory, whether you are a member or not.
Indeed, and that, is messed up, in a very deep way.

I'd say the reverse is true. With more money to be spent on labor, less capital is availible to advance the company.
I was referring to incentive, not ability. I wasn't saying it would certainly happen, but surely you can see how that could, sometimes, be the case.

Again, I'd argue the opposite. With the strength of a union behind them, an employee can reduce his or her actual productivity knowing full well that the union will stand with them in the event the company attempts to terminate them. In the last four years, only two teachers in New York City's school districts have been fired for incompetence.
Solidarity? Ever union meeting I've ever seen has the head of the respective division saying that it's "them versus us." Not really what I'd say is a unifying message, is it?

In these cases I was referring to the unions northern European countries as Marla Singer mentioned. Again, definately this not always the case, but it can happen.

rmsharpe, I agree with all of your points in principle, and generally in the context of how unions in the USA have been going. I'm playing devil's advocate, and presenting how in theory (and sometime/somewhere in practice) unions can have some benefits.

I'd also like to mention that unions, in some ways, are victims of their own success. Many of the changes they were seeking have (for better or worse) become federal law. One could hypothesize that they got what they wanted, mostly disbanded as a result, and those who remain are just holding out for more money.
 
Problems will arise in any industry when workers feel they are entitled to wage or benefit increases without earning them through productivity increases. A big problem with unions is it seems many rather drag an entire industry down and lose there job, than forfit a wage increase or benefit, or take a pay cut in a failing industry. A 20% pay cut may royally suck, but a 100% one is much worse. The people who suffer are bother the workers and the buisnesses.
 
Unions have outlived their usefulness, all they are good for now is drying up American jobs and seeing them moved out of country.
 
The things we take for granted in the workplace were fought for by unions. The fight for fair pay and the creation of the middle class as we know it today is due to the unions' fight for the working class.

Granted, there are abuses, but when it comes to having a union electrician or carpenter work on my house or business versus a non-union, I'll take union everytime because they do the job right and take the pride in their work that is commensurate with their pay.

Plenty of unions have given a lot in concessions over the past years while increasing productivity and efficiency, so the notion that their demands for a fair wage and benefits is some "unearned" is patent nonsense.
 
CamBot said:
The things we take for granted in the workplace were fought for by unions. The fight for fair pay and the creation of the middle class as we know it today is due to the unions' fight for the working class.

Granted, there are abuses, but when it comes to having a union electrician or carpenter work on my house or business versus a non-union, I'll take union everytime because they do the job right and take the pride in their work that is commensurate with their pay.

Plenty of unions have given a lot in concessions over the past years while increasing productivity and efficiency, so the notion that their demands for a fair wage and benefits is some "unearned" is patent nonsense.


As a non-union buisness owner in the construction buisness I find it deeply insulting that you think union work is automaticly done right and with pride. Their high pay has nothing to do with the uality of the work om that they are able to force union companies by less then scupulous practices to pay more.
 
Unions and employers need to realise that the success of one should be reflected in the success of the other.

Reading the above examples just quickly, Nucor seems to have a sensible balance; unions are not important where employers treat workers well. But you can't rely on employers to treat staff decently, so you either have to have government legislation , or unions.

As far as car manufacting goes, the US makers response to falling sales was to go heavy into SUVs because of the tax breaks available to buyers. A shortsighted, lazy and cheap decision that leaves them well behind the innovation curve, and a product list full of cars with a raging thirst in a climate of oil price rises. That's true regardless of unions.
 
I live in a city where unions (many times thugs) have a stranglehold on the convention business and it's costing the city. Chicago, formerly the No. 1 city in the country for trade shows, ranks third behind Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla now. The city has been negotiating with unions and contractors to address trade organizations' complaints about Chicago's labor costs and work rules. This should not be a consideration imo.

The stringent work rules are among the factors in the National Hardware Show left Chicago for Las Vegas after splitting with its longtime sponsor. Exhibitors despise that McCormick Place has so many unions that require well-paid tradesmen to perform even the smallest tasks.

The unions just negotiated a mighty large pay raise this week and promise to lower costs for exhibitors. I'm a bit skeptical to say the least.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-labor23.html
 
Whomp said:
I live in a city where unions (many times thugs) have a stranglehold on the convention business and it's costing the city.

It's like that across the state. I'm forced to be in a union to stock cheese and eggs.
 
Whomp said:
I live in a city where unions (many times thugs) have a stranglehold on the convention business and it's costing the city. Chicago, formerly the No. 1 city in the country for trade shows, ranks third behind Las Vegas and Orlando, Fla now. The city has been negotiating with unions and contractors to address trade organizations' complaints about Chicago's labor costs and work rules. This should not be a consideration imo.

The stringent work rules are among the factors in the National Hardware Show left Chicago for Las Vegas after splitting with its longtime sponsor. Exhibitors despise that McCormick Place has so many unions that require well-paid tradesmen to perform even the smallest tasks.

The unions just negotiated a mighty large pay raise this week and promise to lower costs for exhibitors. I'm a bit skeptical to say the least.
http://www.suntimes.com/output/business/cst-fin-labor23.html

I know I use go to a lot of trade show at Mccormick Place, now they have them elsewhere as the vendors where getting sick and tired of paying Unions and wasting a lot of time waiting on them to drop a line or some simple crap that could have been done by the booth holder, but couldn't because it was against Union rules. When I worked for Mitsubshi Machine Tool there in Chicago it was a pain dealing with Unions, much time was wasted for somethng stupid like changing the post on a transformer. 5 minute job would take 5 hours ... and that's no joke. Unions ... BAH!
 
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Gah, now my memory fails me, but remind me. Are there not steel mills run wholly by their employees and these aforementioned steel mills making good bussines? And was it not brought so from a union buy-out?
 
CIVPhilzilla said:
Problems will arise in any industry when workers feel they are entitled to wage or benefit increases without earning them through productivity increases. A big problem with unions is it seems many rather drag an entire industry down and lose there job, than forfit a wage increase or benefit, or take a pay cut in a failing industry. A 20% pay cut may royally suck, but a 100% one is much worse. The people who suffer are bother the workers and the buisnesses.

Except many workers don't even have fair wages yet. How can they be motivated when we still are lacking things like a living wage?
 
tomsnowman123 said:
Except many workers don't even have fair wages yet. How can they be motivated when we still are lacking things like a living wage?

If their wages are low, they can work hard. Next time payroll reviews roll around, they can present to their employer look I've increased my productivity x% this year, I think I am deserving of a higher wage to compesate me for that. If they are just gifted a higher wage they'll take it for granted and expect it without putting out extra work. Labor is a a resource and an investment, buisnesses want quality employees and will compesate them based on the work they do.
 
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