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Unique unit elimination thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Kimiimaro, Apr 24, 2018.

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  1. sadsquid

    sadsquid Warlord

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 23
    Cossack (Russia) - 22 (25-3) Not a bad unit, it's movement after attacking is good. But it isn't exactly early in the game, and it's not that much stronger than cavalry unless it's in home territory.
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 23
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 7
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 37
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29 (28+1) Very strong, stubborn unit. Hard and annoying to fight against!
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 8
     
  2. Rosty K

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    Jong had gone missing since the middle of the previous page, I'm putting it back.

    Conquistador (Spain) - 23
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 23
    Jong (Indonesia) - 27 (26 + 1) - And now let's pass them colonizers. The Dutch ship may be strong, but it's not as versatile.
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 4 (7-3) - of the remaining choice this is the weakest.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 37
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 8
     
  3. kb27787

    kb27787 Deity

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 23 -3 = 20 Seriously? Not only does melee line suck (only thing worse is spear line) compared to archers and horses, this unit's bonuses is the epitome of uselessness (eagles can make builders to improve luxes to further increase their damage, and legion at least have a builder charge... You get redcoats for free from conquest... anything you get for free cannot be that bad... combat bonus is great too. Ngao? well ngao is useless too but at least the resistance against ranged and the faster movement and sight in jungle can still be made use of... unlike this unit's bonuses). If I want to go on a domination run I'd just go straight for military and not bother with holy sites to get a religion, thank you very much. They could make it +10 when there is a religious unit around and playing normally, I'd still probably won't use it.
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 23 + 1 = 24 These were so strong in Vanilla, particularly because without fixed eras the deity AI is so fond of buying the first GG and then you are stuck with the next era GG which cost 120 points--used to be these guys were my only reliable way of getting the early GG; their extra bonuses with GG is a great synergy. Not requiring horses and upgrading to knights... if you play deity sure you must realize how fantastic that is that you don't need a chariot wave to be upgraded after the initial horse rush... only Macedon gets a horse rush, followed by a knight rush--knights which already have the +7 to districts promotion by that time and so just eat up whatever's left of the map. In RnF 60 pts GGs are easier to come by now so any civ can get them easily with enough dedication, and I suppose Magnus does circumvent not having 2 horses with the right promotions, but still, these are strong as ever.
    Jong (Indonesia) - 27
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 4
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 37
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 8
     
  4. Chibisuke

    Chibisuke Warlord

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 24
    Jong (Indonesia) - 27
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) - 1 = (4 -3) Among the remaining units, it is one of the weakest. It was either this or Winged Hussar. I looked at this first. Really, legion and eagle warrior are the only melee unit replacements that should be continuing forward.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38 = (37 + 1) I played games with Monty and Rome the last couple days just to test whether this unit is still better than theirs. The answer is yes. Eagle Warrior is great only of you are close range to an enemy that doesn't have a similarly strong early unit. Also, on deity, AI ramps up quickly and can stop an Eagle Warrior rush just with a single archer in their city. Usually they will also have several warriors and possibly barbs hanging about. Eagle Warriors high production cost means it takes time to build a rush and you are too late half the time. Legion is powerful but comes later than the Nubian Archer which is just a more powerful unit since it can hit Legion without being hit back. War Cart is the closest competitor to Nubian Archer with strength and mobility. But the archer can strike without being hit, so it's the best.

    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 8
     
  5. BarbarianHunter

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) – 25 (24+1) --- Another vote for the best UU in the game as explained previously.
    Jong (Indonesia) - 27
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Ngao Mbeba (Kongo) – ELIMINATED --- No resource requirement, +10 vs. ranged attacks, and faster movement through woods+rainforests are nice bonuses (especially the +10 vs. ranged), but the list is thinning.
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 8
     
  6. eleven11

    eleven11 Warlord

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Jong (Indonesia) - 28 (27+1) - The unit itself is all upside plus I like the synergies in the civics tree. I want to push Feudalism and Mercenaries sooner than later anyway. Jong is just icing on the cake.
    Legion (Rome) - 33
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 18
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5 (8-3) - By the time you can devote the resources to build a bunch of them their time is almost already passed. They do look cool... and I do usually build a couple for flavor.
     
  7. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Jong (Indonesia) - 28
    Legion (Rome) - 34 (33+1... Haven’t voted yet for Legion, but I have found them to always be a solid unit with a few cool side perks)
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15 (18-3... I find that, in theory, they should be stronger than they really are. They seem very situational)
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 10
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  8. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 32
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 25
    Jong (Indonesia) - 29 = 28 + 1. Probably my favorite naval UU though admittedly I haven't payed as Brazil.
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 7 = 10 - 3. Sure they can do lots of things, whether or not you get the opportunity is another question.
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  9. Hammurabbit

    Hammurabbit Warlord

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    onquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29 = 32 - 3 - I don't know but I often don't get that many builders. And it forces you to war early, because when Swordsmen are around they are obsolete.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26 = 25 +1 - Great generals are... Great! and it's a pretty great unit it begin with.
    Jong (Indonesia) - 29
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 7
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  10. The_Quasar

    The_Quasar King

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 20
    Cossack (Russia) - 22
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30 = 29 + 1 Great UU, especially considering how early it is possible to get it.
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 4 = 7 - 3 Good unit, and flexible, unfortunately, it comes at a time that makes it fairly difficult, and sometimes near impossible, to get the best out of it. By the time it's really useful, it's obsolete.
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  11. NauticalStrike

    NauticalStrike Chieftain

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 17 (20 - 3) Maybe it's simply because I don't enjoy the religious aspect of this game, but I find it too much of a hassle to have every single one of my conquistadors trying to escort a missionary. Not worth it cost/benefit wise.
    Cossack (Russia) - 23 (22 + 1) Pretty much one of the only times I'll make a bunch of horsemen is as Russia. Cavalry charge is after knights, sure, but these guys make up for it with their movement. Not to mention defending captured cities on the warfront. Base horsemen get outdated quickly, but you can just make a bunch and throw them to the meat grinder until you get cossacks.
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 29
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 4
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  12. The Highwayman

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14 (17-3) As the game progresses, already dominant cavalry become even more important. While the Conquistador is the only Spanish bonus that doesn't totally suck, bee-lining Military Science and building Cavalry seems like a better idea 99% of the time.
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30 (29+1) The recent decline of the Eagle Warrior is staggering. The return on investment is unmatched, at least in my games. No business being ranked among naval units past the first page of this thread.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 4
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 5
     
  13. HoorayForSiam

    HoorayForSiam Chieftain

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 35
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - 1 (4-3) Not as impressive as some of the other units on this list.
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6 (5+1) I don’t think this deserves to be eliminated yet.
     
  14. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 26
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36 (35+1) : a powerful version of an already powerful unit.
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 17
    Varu (India) - 29
    Viking Longship (Norway/Harald Hardrada) - ELIMINATED 1-3 : Just outdone by the remaining competition.
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6
     
  15. Frostburn

    Frostburn Warlord

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 27 (26+1) Best or 2nd best UU in Civ6 as i explained in my last post.
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 14 (17-3) Not a bad unit, but i am attributing the free red coat to England's bonus and not an inherent red coat bonus, 10 combat on another continent and no cost to disembark is certainly good, but its a hard build melee unit in the mid-late game which is why I'm choosing them for minus 3
    Varu (India) - 29
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 6
     
  16. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    Either Frostburn missed mine, or I missed his. I think mine came slightly first, though.
     
  17. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 31 (30 + 1) The economic boost provided by free workers is hard to compete with.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 27
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 34
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 14
    Varu (India) - 29
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 3 (6 - 3) In terms of interesting gameplay, this unit is top tier. Power-wise, though, the ability can be a liability just as easily as a bonus.
     
  18. Mr. Shadows

    Mr. Shadows Nomad of the time streams

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28 (31-3=28) They're expensive and situational.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 27
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 35 (34+1) Good in almost all situations.
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 14
    Varu (India) - 29
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 3
     
  19. KAL_MAD

    KAL_MAD Chieftain

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 28 + 1 = 29 Very good unit. If you play Aztec you're most likely going military early, with this unit you also get to build your cities with the free builders
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 27
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 35 (34+1) Good in almost all situations.
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 14
    Varu (India) - 29
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 41
    Winged Hussar (Poland) - 3 - 3 = 0 ELIMINATED! Cool unit but not very strong compared to what's left on the list
     
  20. grant2004

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    Conquistador (Spain) - 14
    Cossack (Russia) - 23
    De Zeven Provinciën (Netherlands) - 26
    Eagle Warrior (Aztec) - 30 = (29+1) I disagree that these are situational. Every military unit requires someone nearby to use it on. If you're restricting yourself to using these in the ancient era you're missing the point of these entirely. It's not that the Eagle Warrior is a stronger warrior, it's that it's a source of free builders. Free builders are such an enormous economic boost that it justifies keeping these units around into later eras. Support them with a couple other melee units and a bunch of ranged units and position them intelligently to finish off a weakened enemy. I've managed to get free builders all the way to the industrial era.
    Hetairoi (Macedon/Alexander) - 27
    Jong (Indonesia) - 30
    Legion (Rome) - 35 (34+1) Good in almost all situations.
    Malón Raider (Mapuche) - 15
    Mamluk (Arabia) - 36
    Minas Geraes (Brazil) - 20
    Pítati Archer (Nubia) – 38
    Redcoat (England/Victoria) - 14
    Varu (India) - 29
    War-Cart (Sumer) - 38 = (41-3) If we're starting to trim points off the strong units this one should be a little lower. Raw combat power just isn't that interesting to me. In a game with an AI that's such a pushover you're going to win any war as long as you're intelligent and careful about how you play, you don't need a big military unit to beat the AI. If you're hunting deer a rifle is just fine, a bazooka is more powerful, but is it really any more useful than the rifle?
     
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