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Makeda, Queen of Sheba (Yemen civ)
She's nice...
...but now even nicer
She's nice...
...but now even nicer
Updated AND 2.1 Mega Civ Pack
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I also found a nice leaderhead: Brunhild
She would be a great addition to the Vikings.
She would be a great addition to the Vikings.
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New icons
Armenia
Cuba
Belgium
Afrikaans (South-Afrika)
Colombia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Mamluk
Mexico
Armenia
Cuba
Belgium
Afrikaans (South-Afrika)
Colombia
Iran
Iraq
Italy
Mamluk
Mexico
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New Zeland
Uzbekistan
Venezuela
Norway
Most of them are created from Civ5 mod icons.
Please let me know what you think.
Uzbekistan
Venezuela
Norway
Most of them are created from Civ5 mod icons.
Please let me know what you think.
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Are you allowed to use Civ5 assets, even if somewhat modified? I mean, I know some other developers really don't want you to use any asset from any game that the end user does not already own.
Other than that I just have one random question. I know there are some Kim family leaderheads floating about. Any chance we'll get one in the pack at some future time for a North Korea twist on the civ? I sort of like playing games where I line up all the big dictators like Hitler and Pol Pot on the same map and Kim is the one missing in my collection.
Other than that I just have one random question. I know there are some Kim family leaderheads floating about. Any chance we'll get one in the pack at some future time for a North Korea twist on the civ? I sort of like playing games where I line up all the big dictators like Hitler and Pol Pot on the same map and Kim is the one missing in my collection.
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I thought of that too but didn't care much.Other than that I just have one random question. I know there are some Kim family leaderheads floating about. Any chance we'll get one in the pack at some future time for a North Korea twist on the civ? I sort of like playing games where I line up all the big dictators like Hitler and Pol Pot on the same map and Kim is the one missing in my collection.
Now I will add him as a custom leaderhead.
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A little status report what to expect in the new MegaPack:
=Mississipi=
Leader:
Tuskaloosa (Protective/Nomad)
Starting techs:
Agriculture, Ritualism
UB: Mound (Graveyard)
+10% defense
city requires 10% less food to grow
UU: Natchez (Arquebusier)
starts with Medic I
no force obsolete at Flintlock
=Slovak=
Leaders:
Stefanik (Philosophical/Aggressive)
Stur (Philosophical/Creative)
Starting techs:
Agriculture, Storytelling
UB: Krcma (Tavern)
cost 33 (instead of 50)
+1 from Wine (not just Alcohol)
+1 commerce per 2 connected cities, max: 2 (instead of per 3 connected cities)
UU: Zbojnik (Adventurer)
can attack and pilage
no Horse requirement
starts with Looter (and Sentry I, of course )
available at Usury (earlier than Adventurer, that is at Compass)
=Vandal=
Leaders:
Genseric (Aggressive/Charismatic)
Thrasamund (Philosophical/Organized)
Starting techs:
Hunting, Fishing
UB: Vandal Shipyard (Shipyard)
+2Xp for Wodden ships
UU: Vandal Raider (Swordsman)
requires Iron or Copper
can withdraw from combat (25% chance)
starts with Looter
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***MODIFIED CIVS***
Norway:
add Harald Hardrada (shared with the Vikings if Custom Leaderheads module also active)
Hersir(UU) removed
Drekar added as new UU. Replaces Cog. CAN enter Ocean before Astronomy.
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***LEADER HEADS***
Hitler: Swastika replaced with the German cross from Civ5
New Alternavie Leaderheads for
Isabella
Catherine
Charles V
Masinissa
New Custom Leaderhead
Pine Leaf (Nomad/Charismatic) for Sioux (favourite civic: Folklore; no favourite religion)
Brunhild (Charismatic/Protective) for Viking (favourites: Vassalage and Asatru)
Kim Jong-Il (Scientific/Deceiver) for Korea (favourite civic: Personality Cult; no favourite religion)
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***NEW CIVS***
***NEW CIVS***
=Mississipi=
Leader:
Tuskaloosa (Protective/Nomad)
Starting techs:
Agriculture, Ritualism
UB: Mound (Graveyard)
+10% defense
city requires 10% less food to grow
UU: Natchez (Arquebusier)
starts with Medic I
no force obsolete at Flintlock
=Slovak=
Leaders:
Stefanik (Philosophical/Aggressive)
Stur (Philosophical/Creative)
Starting techs:
Agriculture, Storytelling
UB: Krcma (Tavern)
cost 33 (instead of 50)
+1
from Wine (not just Alcohol)+1 commerce per 2 connected cities, max: 2 (instead of per 3 connected cities)
UU: Zbojnik (Adventurer)
can attack and pilage
no Horse requirement
starts with Looter (and Sentry I, of course )
available at Usury (earlier than Adventurer, that is at Compass)
=Vandal=
Leaders:
Genseric (Aggressive/Charismatic)
Thrasamund (Philosophical/Organized)
Starting techs:
Hunting, Fishing
UB: Vandal Shipyard (Shipyard)
+2Xp for Wodden ships
UU: Vandal Raider (Swordsman)
requires Iron or Copper
can withdraw from combat (25% chance)
starts with Looter
___________________
***MODIFIED CIVS***
Norway:
add Harald Hardrada (shared with the Vikings if Custom Leaderheads module also active)
Hersir(UU) removed
Drekar added as new UU. Replaces Cog. CAN enter Ocean before Astronomy.
__________________
***LEADER HEADS***
Hitler: Swastika replaced with the German cross from Civ5
New Alternavie Leaderheads for
Isabella
Catherine
Charles V
Masinissa
New Custom Leaderhead
Pine Leaf (Nomad/Charismatic) for Sioux (favourite civic: Folklore; no favourite religion)
Brunhild (Charismatic/Protective) for Viking (favourites: Vassalage and Asatru)
Kim Jong-Il (Scientific/Deceiver) for Korea (favourite civic: Personality Cult; no favourite religion)
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Ohh, boy! Working with flags is a major pain...
but finally the new icons and flags:
All flags are de-call flags, except for Italy.
I decided not to touch Cuba at all, leave the non de-call flag for Italy and change only the icon. For New Zealand I chose the cute kivi from its de-call flag instead of the earlier shown leaf. I also changed some civ colors.
Let me know if you think something is wrong or other changes are also needed.
but finally the new icons and flags:
All flags are de-call flags, except for Italy.
I decided not to touch Cuba at all, leave the non de-call flag for Italy and change only the icon. For New Zealand I chose the cute kivi from its de-call flag instead of the earlier shown leaf. I also changed some civ colors.
Let me know if you think something is wrong or other changes are also needed.
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Uygur. I didn't do anything with it. It was there only to compare it wit Uzbekistan and I forgot to delete it 
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I've obviously not been able to go testing this out so I have to ask how much of all these civs is covered by VD? Like, I imagine there have to be massive gaps when it comes to modern units or something similar.
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VD? What's that?
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The unique unit styles for each civilization.
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I still don't fully understand your question.
All these civs have custom artstyle, if that's what you mean.
I will.
...just too busy IRL.
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I'll back up to the begining than. Basically back in the day there was this modcomp that first introduced truly unique art styles for each civ as opposed to culture group specific ones. It was called Varietas Delectat. And basically every pack of unique units since in every mod since is essentially based off it in some way.
However VD had a serious flaw in that, whilst the early and mid game units were well diversified and represented, modern units and in particular things such as tanks and aircraft really weren't. So you'd get to about WW2 and suddenly everyone is using the same 2-3 types of tanks and aircraft without so much as a custom skin. And it only got worse once you hit the modern era. My question is how this compares to your work on this module.
How diverse are your modern units?
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The answer is: No idea
MCP had always been using the same unit artstyle as the main mod as far as I know.
My work is only to update it, add a few things and so but I don't work with the artstyles at all. There are 100+ civs in MCP and I would never accept such a challenge as creating unique artstyle for each civ
For more information you should ask Vokarya. Iirc he worked with the artstyles a lot.
MCP had always been using the same unit artstyle as the main mod as far as I know.
My work is only to update it, add a few things and so but I don't work with the artstyles at all. There are 100+ civs in MCP and I would never accept such a challenge as creating unique artstyle for each civ
For more information you should ask Vokarya. Iirc he worked with the artstyles a lot.
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Well I posted on this thread so I figure he'll show up eventually. Until than I guess I could do some experiments and just load up a bunch of test maps to see. Worst case scenario I might have to donate some of my own custom skins I have lying around.
EDIT: It's worse than I thought. The base game has some minimal attempts at diversity but like far less than even what VD did. And aside from a few flavor units most of the units from here are just generics with teamcolor applied. Too much work even for me.
EDIT: It's worse than I thought. The base game has some minimal attempts at diversity but like far less than even what VD did. And aside from a few flavor units most of the units from here are just generics with teamcolor applied. Too much work even for me.
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Apparently, I've been summoned. (Not that this forum isn't so busy that I don't see everything.) Let me tell you what I've been trying to do.
There is a limit to the number of unit definitions any mod can have before memory issues start to crop up. Exactly where this limit is I don't know. But I know there is one, and I want to have as much room below it in the base AND mod as I can get, in order to make room for side projects like the MCP. Otherwise we have to do things like exchange the animated leaderheads for static ones, and that's a line that I personally will not cross.
So I think going by the culture group level is the best compromise; it allows individual units to serve for 2-3 civilizations, which is fair enough for situations that might not see every single civ in one game. I think it's good enough to be able to tell an English Axeman from a Chinese or Zulu Axeman, but I'm not going to demand enough detail to tell an English Axeman from a Viking. I have unified several of the art styles (English-Celt, Germany-HRE, Africa-Ethiopia) but I haven't gone as far as I could go. I think a palette of 12 styles is really enough.
Now if you want to provide a replacement model for a unit that already has an art definition, I can certainly add that. And I have considered going back to add some missing models so that we are consistent. For example: the African art style has appropriate models for the executives of the original 7 corporations but not for the additional corporations like Fashion House. I have done the work to reskin the models, but I haven't added them to the mod yet.
But given the limits of Civ4's graphic engine as I understand them, with the number of units we have, unique unit artwork for every civilization is simply not going to work. Our unit roster is over 3 times the size of BTS's.
There is a limit to the number of unit definitions any mod can have before memory issues start to crop up. Exactly where this limit is I don't know. But I know there is one, and I want to have as much room below it in the base AND mod as I can get, in order to make room for side projects like the MCP. Otherwise we have to do things like exchange the animated leaderheads for static ones, and that's a line that I personally will not cross.
So I think going by the culture group level is the best compromise; it allows individual units to serve for 2-3 civilizations, which is fair enough for situations that might not see every single civ in one game. I think it's good enough to be able to tell an English Axeman from a Chinese or Zulu Axeman, but I'm not going to demand enough detail to tell an English Axeman from a Viking. I have unified several of the art styles (English-Celt, Germany-HRE, Africa-Ethiopia) but I haven't gone as far as I could go. I think a palette of 12 styles is really enough.
Now if you want to provide a replacement model for a unit that already has an art definition, I can certainly add that. And I have considered going back to add some missing models so that we are consistent. For example: the African art style has appropriate models for the executives of the original 7 corporations but not for the additional corporations like Fashion House. I have done the work to reskin the models, but I haven't added them to the mod yet.
But given the limits of Civ4's graphic engine as I understand them, with the number of units we have, unique unit artwork for every civilization is simply not going to work. Our unit roster is over 3 times the size of BTS's.
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