Urban versus Suburban

I live in the suburbs of a small town. :crazyeye: No, really. It has a very suburban feel--wide lawns, big houses, new building projects all the time, etc., but my town has less than 10,000 people (the "greater urban area" if we may term it that has something around ten to twenty thousand, with several thousand college students).

Anyway, I have to say, it's quieter (except when there's construction), but I dislike it because it's hard to get anywhere. I have to drive half a mile just to get to a major intersection. It's a quiet neighborhood, but isolated, and that makes traveling a bugger. :p
 
garric said:
Wrong;

A suburb gives a man a sense of freedom. Freedom is an abstract concept and I'll rather not elaborate it, if you do not understand it already then I will have to leave it up to your life to discover the meaning of freedom yourself.. When I lived in the Soviet Union I could gaze out of my window in my ten story "krushevka" building and see across the street a man like me gazing out of his window. I saw no future, no opportunity, no freedom.

When I look outside my window in my house I can see the freedom, I can smell the freedom when I step outside and smell the fresh cut grass, and I can feel it under my car when I drive.

Ok...so freedom to you is having a lawn and open space. Ok, I'm cool with that. Would a man be even more free in the country then? If .5 of an acre with a neighbor's house in your face is freedom, isnt it better to have 20? If thats what you want though, I can't argue with that definition.

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I have no problem with Democrats or whatever, political diversity, etc, it really doesn't matter to me. As long as there's not so many liberals here I don't care if they're Republican or Democrat, it makes no difference to me. It's a fact that cities are filled with all matter of scum and low-lifes, so I'd rather not spend more time there than I have to. Sure, cities can be great; I love going to San Francisco and getting a good meal and walking around Pier 39, but otherwise I would NOT want live there.

So, you have no problem with democrats as long as they arent...liberal? I think, after looking at all of your posts, liberal means something different to you than it does to the rest of the country, but whatever. You dont want to live in a city, ok, fine. I think its a little unfair to paint every city as being full of scum and low life though.


No, there are NO homeless people in my suburb, nor have I ever seen one homeless man or woman in a suburb. There are none here, and I have never heard of a homeless problem in suburbia, so this is a non-issue and I will not discuss it further, EVER.

hahahah, flipping out a little bit? Its quite possible that you dont see homeless people in your suburb. There are thousands of them in America, and I dont know every single one. I know that in many of the suburbs in the city close to where I live most of the time (Columbus Ohio), there are many homeless people, and in the inner suburbs of Washington DC, there are many too. The Inner-Suburbs often have the similar problems that cities do. Maybe not an hour away from the city...but suburbs closer in? Sure.

Metropolitian Politics is one of my concentrations in school...we've done case studies on DC, Cleveland, Boston and LA, and I can certainly say that the problems of Drugs and homelessness are in some suburbs. I'd venture to say that drugs are a problem in MOST suburbs, but once people have enough money to support their habit, there isnt much crime. The one clear cut advantage, across the board that suburbs have in the quality of life area, I'd say, is quality of Public Schools. Even in the inner-suburbs, they best inner city public schools

Most successful men and women chose to live in the Suburbs, it's a much safer place to raise their children and commuting to the city is rather inexpensive and convenient, and one doesn't have to bother with the DREAD of having a car in the city and parking it.

Well, lots of cities have busses and trains now that make communiting easy. I'm not saying that many succsessful men and women live in suburbs. But there wouldnt be million dollar apartments or townhouses if people with dough didnt want to live there.
 
GinandTonic said:
Its a similar "fact" the country is full of inbreds with club foot playing the harmonica.

So long as we are talking mindless preconceptions here. ;)

Hey. Dont you be talking smack about us harmonica players
 
MattBrown said:
Ok...so freedom to you is having a lawn and open space. Ok, I'm cool with that. Would a man be even more free in the country then? If .5 of an acre with a neighbor's house in your face is freedom, isnt it better to have 20? If thats what you want though, I can't argue with that definition.

It has nothing to do with a lawn, man. In Russia, I own a summer house bigger than my house in California, with a lawn that's twenty times bigger.

Like I said I can't explain what freedom is, it's too abstract, and you obviously don't get it.. so what's the point of trying to explain it to you?

So, you have no problem with democrats as long as they arent...liberal? I think, after looking at all of your posts, liberal means something different to you than it does to the rest of the country, but whatever. You dont want to live in a city, ok, fine. I think its a little unfair to paint every city as being full of scum and low life though.
Not all Democrats are liberals. Hell, any sane person would think twice before admitting that he or she is a LIBERAL.
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hahahah, flipping out a little bit? Its quite possible that you dont see homeless people in your suburb. There are thousands of them in America, and I dont know every single one. I know that in many of the suburbs in the city close to where I live most of the time (Columbus Ohio), there are many homeless people, and in the inner suburbs of Washington DC, there are many too. The Inner-Suburbs often have the similar problems that cities do. Maybe not an hour away from the city...but suburbs closer in? Sure.

Metropolitian Politics is one of my concentrations in school...we've done case studies on DC, Cleveland, Boston and LA, and I can certainly say that the problems of Drugs and homelessness are in some suburbs. I'd venture to say that drugs are a problem in MOST suburbs, but once people have enough money to support their habit, there isnt much crime. The one clear cut advantage, across the board that suburbs have in the quality of life area, I'd say, is quality of Public Schools. Even in the inner-suburbs, they best inner city public schools
I will not discuss this topic.

Well, lots of cities have busses and trains now that make communiting easy. I'm not saying that many succsessful men and women live in suburbs. But there wouldnt be million dollar apartments or townhouses if people with dough didnt want to live there.

I prefer the freedom of having my own car and being able to go wherever I want, whenever I want, and not having to use some stupid bus or a METRO.

The city attracts many wealthy and up and coming bachelors who eventually move out to the suburbs when they are ready to start their family, so this is unfortunately a NON-issue.
 
garric said:
Most successful men and women chose to live in the Suburbs, it's a much safer place to raise their children and commuting to the city is rather inexpensive and convenient, and one doesn't have to bother with the DREAD of having a car in the city and parking it.

In the Uk a succesful man would have a place in the country and a place in town. The burbs would be what he saw as he was going past.
 
GinandTonic said:
In the Uk a succesful man would have a place in the country and a place in town. The burbs would be what he saw as he was going past.
The UK must be a strange place, where would this said "man" raise his children? In the country? The city? Don't be ridiculous; neither of those locations can offer a quality education. No responsible parent would WANT to send their children to a public school in the city; they perform worse than any in the WORLD.
 
garric said:
It has nothing to do with a lawn, man. In Russia, I own a summer house bigger than my house in California, with a lawn that's twenty times bigger.

Like I said I can't explain what freedom is, it's too abstract, and you obviously don't get it.. so what's the point of trying to explain it to you?

I guess you're right. Freedom means different things to different people. If you cant use your big boy words, then there really isnt a reason trying to explain it to me.


Not all Democrats are liberals. Hell, any sane person would think twice before admitting that he or she is a LIBERAL.

it wouldnt be a garric post without a random liberal rant.


I will not discuss this topic.

uh....okay. Fine.



I prefer the freedom of having my own car and being able to go wherever I want, whenever I want, and not having to use some stupid bus or a METRO.

The city attracts many wealthy and up and coming bachelors who eventually move out to the suburbs when they are ready to start their family, so this is unfortunately a NON-issue.

Well, I guess thats your opinion. I like the metro, you dont, fine. whatever.
However, you admit that many wealthy/up and coming bachelors live in the city (read: sucsessful professionals). You are right, many move other places to start a family...but thats not what you put in your orginial post. So now, we can agree, that in addition to the suburbs, cities also contain sucsessful professionals.

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I'll take the county, with no neighbors, it has it draw backs for me the pros far out way the cons. Next to no crime, no noise, no crowds, low taxes, easy to get to where you want. Still have high speed internet, and all those "urban" services without the urban sprawl and crowds. Nope I'll set right here in the middle of 200 acres and enjoy the woods.
 
garric said:
The UK must be a strange place, where would this said "man" raise his children? In the country? The city? Don't be ridiculous; neither of those locations can offer a quality education. No responsible parent would WANT to send their children to a public school in the city; they perform worse than any in the WORLD.

we can conclude, if a man has the wealth to have two homes (one in the town, and one in the country), then he has the wealth needed for private schools, which perform quite well regardless of where they are.
 
Leatherneck said:
I'll take the county, with no neighbors, it has it draw backs for me the pros far out way the cons. Next to no crime, no noise, no crowds, low taxes, easy to get to where you want. Still have high speed internet, and all those "urban" services without the urban sprawl and crowds. Nope I'll set right here in the middle of 200 acres and enjoy the woods.

I can respect that. Rural country is a 5 min drive from where I live, and I can totally understand why lots of people like it better than the city/suburbs. (I'm an outdoor kinda guy myself) Personally, if I'm lucky enough to retire with some degree of wealth, I'd love to settle down on 40 acres of woods somewhere. However, being young, educational and job oppertunites are often lacking in those areas.
 
MattBrown said:
I guess you're right. Freedom means different things to different people. If you cant use your big boy words, then there really isnt a reason trying to explain it to me.

I don't know what you mean, however, I'll just consider it a non-issue since you don't seem to want to understand.

it wouldnt be a garric post without a random liberal rant.
How is it random? You asked me about it!

uh....okay. Fine.
Thank you.


Well, I guess thats your opinion. I like the metro, you dont, fine. whatever.
However, you admit that many wealthy/up and coming bachelors live in the city (read: sucsessful professionals). You are right, many move other places to start a family...but thats not what you put in your orginial post. So now, we can agree, that in addition to the suburbs, cities also contain sucsessful professionals.

Sir, I've lived on the metro. I've slept in the metro, I've eaten in the metro, and I can tell you for one thing that the metro is not a good place, I assure you, so please don't preach to me about the metro!

And any continuity errors are just percieved, they must be mistakes and not what I meant, perhaps we both had a misunderstanding? If so, then we don't have to even consider it.
 
When you say Metro, do you mean a communter train in California, or do you mean THE METRO (which is what the subway system in Washington DC is called)?
 
MattBrown said:
When you say Metro, do you mean a communter train in California, or do you mean THE METRO (which is what the subway system in Washington DC is called)?
A metro is a subway system inside of a large city which allows convenient and inexpensive travel to the various districts and maybe even beyond. It's not unique to any city. Usually, you people might call it a subway or a mass-transit-system or something like that. The worst times of my life are sometimes inside of a metro!
 
garric said:
A metro is a subway system inside of a large city which allows convenient and inexpensive travel to the various districts and maybe even beyond. It's not unique to any city. Usually, you people might call it a subway or a mass-transit-system or something like that. The worst times of my life are sometimes inside of a metro!

Then get a job and move out of the subway. :mischief:
 
blackheart said:
Then get a job and move out of the subway. :mischief:
I will never go to the metro ever again if I can help it. I have qualms about going to Bart sometimes.
 
garric said:
A metro is a subway system inside of a large city which allows convenient and inexpensive travel to the various districts and maybe even beyond. It's not unique to any city. Usually, you people might call it a subway or a mass-transit-system or something like that. The worst times of my life are sometimes inside of a metro!

In Cleveland, this is called the Rapid. In Boston, I think its called the T. In London, I understand its called the Underground. I thought in San Fransisco, the system was BART. In Washington DC, its called METRO. I've never heard anything else be called the Metro. I guess maybe it is.

obligitory wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Metro

glad to have cleared up that confusion.
 
I've lived in both urban and suburban settings. I definitely liked the city better. There's a much bigger variety of stuff, everything is closer, you don't have to commute every day (I used to live across the street from the building I work in now :crazyeye:), and you actually get to see people, not cars. There are all sorts of awesome things in the city, like street performers and sidewalks. Yes, sidewalks. My suburb has NO SIDEWALKS. It drives me crazy. I'm one of the only people that walk more than .1 mile to get places. On the streets where there are sidewalks, they get piled up on in the autumn (leaves) and the winter (snow), and the plants from the house in front of the sidewalk usually droop over the sidewalk, so they can't be walked upon either.

*sigh*
 
In any case, the general term is certainly not "metro". I would argue that, at least in the US, "subway" is the general term, but I'm not certain if others would consider that NYC cultural imperialism or not.
 
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