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[NovaKart]

How do you know they aren't healthy? You said above that you wouldn't be surprised if there was violence in McDonalds over chicken nuggets and, that candy companies are evil and that you're angry abouto ice cream so your attitude about food seems to be a bit hysterical. It's just common sense that people can eat fast food and ice cream and other unhealthy food in moderation and still be healthy. We don't have to live like monks. Many people are on healthy diets and they end up getting cancer anyway.

 

[Narz]

How do you know they aren't healthy?

You're the one making the claim.

your attitude about food seems to be a bit hysterical.

I guess it pisses me off that I have to spend so much money on food & culturally I feel like I appear "weird" and even "unmanly" because I want to take care of myself.

It could be easy & natural but advertisers, lobbyists & our stupid masculine culture of "taking care of your body is for sissies" make it hard. Which is my grievance.

It's just common sense that people can eat fast food and ice cream and other unhealthy food in moderation and still be healthy. We don't have to live like monks.

I'm not trying to live like a monk, monks can't party or have fun. I don't find it to be common sense. Small amounts of alcohol may be healthy but I don't see how small amounts of partially-hydrogenated soybean oil is healthy & if you're going to claim it is you should back it up.

Many people are on healthy diets and they end up getting cancer anyway.

There are a lot of carcinogens besides just in food. Also the stress of going against the mainstream is not to be discounted.

 

[sophie]

I eat Mcdonalds or Fast Food in general probably once or twice a month (maybe less) and I must say I feel fine, I get enough exercise. It isn't killing me.

Yeah, but you're also like ten and have the metabolism of a chipmunk on meth. Wait till you get a little older and your body slows down a bit.

 

[NovaKart]

You're the one making the claim.


I guess it pisses me off that I have to spend so much money on food & culturally I feel like I appear "weird" and even "unmanly" because I want to take care of myself.

It could be easy & natural but advertisers, lobbyists & our stupid masculine culture of "taking care of your body is for sissies" make it hard. Which is my grievance.


I'm not trying to live like a monk, monks can't party or have fun. I don't find it to be common sense. Small amounts of alcohol may be healthy but I don't see how small amounts of partially-hydrogenated soybean oil is healthy & if you're going to claim it is you should back it up.


There are a lot of carcinogens besides just in food. Also the stress of going against the mainstream is not to be discounted.

I'd say it's a pretty reasonable claim that someone who eats fast food like once every other week is pretty healthy. I'm not the one being hysterical. I'm not saying fast food is healthy, I'm saying it's not unhealthy to eat it every once in awhile and it's alarmist propaganda to compare fast food chains, ice cream brands and corporations that make candy to drug dealers.

It seems like you have a complex about the whole thing. Sorry if people tease you but you have to admit, people are going to find it a bit odd if you're reluctant to eat a bit of ice cream or drink a beer. There's a difference between moderation and complete prohibition.

 

[Lord of Elves]

People have been getting sick and dying since the days of Cain and Abel. Very largely that's why sexual urges exist, or indeed why the whole system of sexual reproduction exists. Git'r done before you get that other foot in the grave. It is unrealistic to expect to live without health issues, you will get sick, you might even get sick chronically, there is little you can do about it other than washing your hands and not smoking/drinking/substance abuse to excess. The fact is that childhood illness, and illness in later life, has always and probably will always be (for the foreseeable future) an issue. People have died of cancer prior to the industrial revolution, but rarely. Why? Because no one lived long enough to have their cells rebel against them. Old-age illnesses do exist, and will continue to. Health issues in childhood? Prior to antibiotics/penicillin/etc the same kids would have died in infancy which was not out of the ordinary. Tragic, yes, but life does not conform to the pretty notions of fairness and equity that we would like it to.

It's unrealistic to expect to dodge all the various physical ailments of the human condition by dieting alone, and even more unrealistic to blame the physical ailments of others exclusively on poor nutrition, or some kind of cabal of medical/pharmaceutical organizations covering up their own incompetence (BigPharm, le gasp!).

 

[Narz]

hysterical.. alarmist propaganda ... have a complex about the whole thing.

Kind of hard to have an intelligent discussion with crap like this flying around.

people are going to find it a bit odd if you're reluctant to eat a bit of ice cream or drink a beer.

People generally respect me for what I choose to do, it just feels a little isolating trying to live the way I do in an unhealthy culture.

There's a difference between moderation and complete prohibition.

If I think something's bad for me I'm not going to "have a little bit" just so another person can not feel awkward about their eating habits. I've had a good influence on certain people & if I ate Wendy's with them I wouldn't. People see I respect them for who they are & I don't judge them so they generally don't judge me. I don't talk this talk IRL really unless someone's interested to hear it. No one IRL would call me a fanatic or hysterical. But here I'm just talking about the topic of unhealthy culture in the United States.

Prohibition is a misnomer. I don't prohibit myself from anything, if I really wanted to eat something I would.

 

[Narz]

It is unrealistic to expect to live without health issues, you will get sick, you might even get sick chronically, there is little you can do about it other than washing your hands and not smoking/drinking/substance abuse to excess.

Diet & lifestyle can & will strongly affect quality of life regardless of your claims otherwise. Deny it at your own peril.

It's unrealistic to expect to dodge all the various physical ailments of the human condition by dieting alone, and even more unrealistic to blame the physical ailments of others exclusively on poor nutrition, or some kind of cabal of medical/pharmaceutical organizations covering up their own incompetence (BigPharm, le gasp!).

No one is claiming diet will cure all illnesses but diet, exercise, right-livelihood, low-stress, strong relationships all that good stuff will make more of an impact than anything else barring a serious genetic disorder.

 

[NovaKart]

I'm sorry but it is alarmist and hysterical to actually expect violence to break out over McDonald's food and to talk about candy companies as if they are evil. If someone actually has opinions like this then it's difficult to have a rational discussion (crap like this and so on). It really is common sense, it's perfectly fine to eat fast food, sweets, etc. in moderation and plenty of healthy people do so. There's a big difference between eating McDonalds or Wendys every once and awhile and having it be a regular part of someone's diet.

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[Narz]

I'm sorry but it is alarmist and hysterical to actually expect violence to break out over McDonald's food

In almost every instance people who use the words "alarmist and hysterical" tend to fit the description more than those they are accusing (usually in the US it's used by right-wingers against environmentalists).

https://www.google.com/search?q=fight+in+mcdonalds

and to talk about candy companies as if they are evil.

They sell products to children which cause children diabetes and in general are terrible for health. I consider marketing addictive substances that contain noxious substances like partially hydrogenated oil & high fructose corn syrup to kids all the while lobbying to get subsidies at least somewhat evil. I mean, how am I wrong here?

If someone actually has opinions like this then it's difficult to have a rational discussion (crap like this and so on). It really is common sense, it's perfectly fine to eat fast food, sweets, etc. in moderation and plenty of healthy people do so. There's a big difference between eating McDonalds or Wendys every once and awhile and having it be a regular part of someone's diet.

Meh, this is going nowhere. Cheers.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

Don't mean to pick sides, but there is a great quote regarding your quarrel:
"There is no food which is poison. But every food has a poisonous amount."

 

[Narz]

With respect SiLL I'd be willing to bet that quote predates the invention of food additives & the type of heavily processed items (like HFCS and PHO) that we see so prevalent in modern "cuisine". If you take that quote to include only natural items like fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, nuts, seeds, grains, etc. than I'd agree with it. There was a study done a few decades back, IIRC, where weaned or weaning infants were given a variety of "natural" food to choose from (bananas, eggs, meats, vegetables, other fruits, etc.) and found that though they might pig out on a certain food on a certain day overall they ate a balanced diet (did not devolve any mineral/vitamin deficiencies).

However, throw manmade high-sugar, high-fat foods into the mix & you will see different results.

I don't remember the name of the study or the exact specifics, if anyone can dig it up for me I'd be appreciative.

 

[NovaKart]

In almost every instance people who use the words "alarmist and hysterical" tend to fit the description more than those they are accusing (usually in the US it's used by right-wingers against environmentalists).

https://www.google.com/search?q=fight+in+mcdonalds


They sell products to children which cause children diabetes and in general are terrible for health. I consider marketing addictive substances that contain noxious substances like partially hydrogenated oil & high fructose corn syrup to kids all the while lobbying to get subsidies at least somewhat evil. I mean, how am I wrong here?


Meh, this is going nowhere. Cheers.

You think any of these fights in McDonalds have to do with the food they sell?

When I was a kid we ate candy. We weren't obese, we didn't develop diabetes, we didn't become addicted. Our parents had the sense to limit what we ate. I'm unaware of any kind of sugar that isn't manmade. I don't know what they say in drum circles but it doesn't grow on trees.

Don't mean to pick sides, but there is a great quote regarding your quarrel:
"There is no food which is poison. But every food has a poisonous amount."

This is basically what I'm saying. You can be healthy without being a puritan about it.

 

[Narz]

You think any of these fights in McDonalds have to do with the food they sell?

Probably. You've never seen kids or adults fight over food?

When I was a kid we ate candy. We weren't obese, we didn't develop diabetes, we didn't become addicted.

Well, I've never been raped therefore it's not a problem then, eh? 1 of 3 kids is overweight or obese so there must be some problem. It's not all about you.

Our parents had the sense to limit what we ate.

Good for you. Alot of people's parents don't. Why make the job harder for them by making junk food cheap & healthy food expensive?

I'm unaware of any kind of sugar that isn't manmade.

Very good. Isolated sugar crystals isn't a natural food & it's caused all sorts of problems since it's been invented/discovered. A classic book on sugar & it's history is Sugar Blues.

I don't know what they say in drum circles but it doesn't grow on trees.

I suspect I know a lot more about sugar than you do.

This is basically what I'm saying. You can be healthy without being a puritan about it.

Puritan. Keep hitting that thesaurus lad. You don't know jack about health & you're obviously insecure about it (thus the need to throw personal attacks in nearly every sentence). This type of insulting attitude, along with costs & advertisers spending billions to creating a false sens of what's normal/healthy, is what makes it difficult for people trying to change their lifestyles.

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[Masada]

Probably. You've never seen kids or adults fight over food?

I've fought many a violent campaign over mashed sweet potato/carrot/potato salad.

 

[Lord of Elves]

EDIT: Actually, nevermind.

 

[Narz]

I'd fight you over some fresh figs but on a serious note poor nutrition is known to negatively influence behavior.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/school/aggression040405.cfm

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=161&page=2005&journalID=13

 

[ZeletDude]

Yeah, but you're also like ten and have the metabolism of a chipmunk on meth. Wait till you get a little older and your body slows down a bit.

I'm almost 17!

 

[GamezRule]

Meat Meat Meat is good!

 

[Angst]

Anyway there are enormous positives to living in the USA. Good salaries,

Not atm.

good food

All my friends who have visited America say you basically deep-fry everything in cheese. That's not good.

It's got Hollywood

Hollywood is the sore blister of horrible motion pictures right now. It ruins great ideas repeatingly. Once every year or so, the area manages to squeeze out one or two decent movies - practically the same number of good pictures coming out of European countries. You should praise Hollywood once they decide not to babe everything anymore. It's a stupid profit-maximizing discourse for stupid people.

 

[NovaKart]

Probably. You've never seen kids or adults fight over food?


Well, I've never been raped therefore it's not a problem then, eh? 1 of 3 kids is overweight or obese so there must be some problem. It's not all about you.


Good for you. Alot of people's parents don't. Why make the job harder for them by making junk food cheap & healthy food expensive?


Very good. Isolated sugar crystals isn't a natural food & it's caused all sorts of problems since it's been invented/discovered. A classic book on sugar & it's history is Sugar Blues.


I suspect I know a lot more about sugar than you do.


Puritan. Keep hitting that thesaurus lad. You don't know jack about health & you're obviously insecure about it (thus the need to throw personal attacks in nearly every sentence). This type of insulting attitude, along with costs & advertisers spending billions to creating a false sens of what's normal/healthy, is what makes it difficult for people trying to change their lifestyles.

I don't know jack about health? You haven't really shown yourself to be a fountain of knowledge either. Linking to books on amazon.com doesn't really make you an expert. Your posts are so full of this "evil corporate" "natural is pure" crap that I can practically smell the patchouli oil from here.

HFCS isn't significantly different from sucrose and neither grows on trees, both are processed. Parents should limit all kinds of sugar and stop being lazy and blaming the government or corporations for their kids being fat. It's like parents crying about what's on TV when they can just turn off the TV or change the channel.

And sorry, but it's hard to take what you say seriously when you think food is actually causing violence.

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