War stories from YOUR ancient relatives

Here's the bump I promised, got a hold of those pictures.

I scanned and took pictures of them with my camera, with varying degrees of clarity, so sorry if the poor resolution makes it impossible to identify.

Anyways, both of these pictures include at least one ancestor of mine, in European military garb around the turn of the century (late 19th to early 20th, not sure on the exact date). We think its somewhere in Eastern Europe, just considering my lineage, but we're not sure. If anyone could identify the military dress to a specific country or military, that would be wonderful.

If you need anymore pictures of specific details, like the design on the belt, I can attempt to take them and upload them.

Maybe the medals on the second picture could provide a hint?
 
Here's the bump I promised, got a hold of those pictures.

I scanned and took pictures of them with my camera, with varying degrees of clarity, so sorry if the poor resolution makes it impossible to identify.

Anyways, both of these pictures include at least one ancestor of mine, in European military garb around the turn of the century (late 19th to early 20th, not sure on the exact date). We think its somewhere in Eastern Europe, just considering my lineage, but we're not sure. If anyone could identify the military dress to a specific country or military, that would be wonderful.

Well I believe that you thought it might have been Austria-Hungary or Russia, but I'm positive Austria-Hungary is out.

I think the Russian Empire or Romania are the two most logical options.
 
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THE NORTH WILL RAZE AGAIN
 
Well I believe that you thought it might have been Austria-Hungary or Russia, but I'm positive Austria-Hungary is out.

I think the Russian Empire or Romania are the two most logical options.
For whatever reason, I'm getting a very strong Russia vibe from the pictures.

Haven't spent much time with period uniforms though so I'm not exactly an Authority on the subject.
 
600,000 were killed during the attack against Fort Sumter ???

Wow, I did not know that so many died there. According to wikipedia, nobody died there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Sumter

That has to do with exactly what?




I'll accept this if you admit that the American Colonist were obliged to be loyal to to Britain and the Crown as well.


They were.... Until all legitimate methods of redressing grievances were ignored. The Confederates never made an attempt to address grievances short of war.





You sound like you think that the war was entirely the South's fault which it wasn't. Many Northerner's then and now criticized the Lincoln Administration's response to the crisis, heck the Senate didn't even vote the President Emergency Powers so he could approve the creation of an army...


The South shot first. Before the South chose to start shooting, war was avoidable.
 
Wow, I caused an argument about a war that happened 150 years ago with an old family legend that no one knows the slightest bit about except that he was a traitor. I also was told his last name yesterday: Seal

Good thing I didn't tell any of you guys about other family legends, like the good old story of the evil uncle or the tale of great-grandpa and the flood of 1936... but those have nothing to do with war and would thus not fit in here.
 
If you hang around CFC long enough, you'll learn that anything can be about the American Civil War. You just have to want it.
 
They were.... Until all legitimate methods of redressing grievances were ignored. The Confederates never made an attempt to address grievances short of war.

So I guess that the Crittenden-Johnson Resolution (which the Lincoln Administration completely ignored), the Crittenden Compromise (which the Lincoln Administration torpedoed and hard-line Republicans killed in committee), the Peace Conference of 1861, and the Confederate Peace Delegation (which the Administration refused to meet with at all) don't count as trying to address their grievances?

The deep south states only voted on secession after the failure of the Crittenden Compromise. Administration and congressional Republican actions strongly suggest that either people in high offices actually wanted war or believed that war was unavoidable. I have always kinda believed that Lincoln took the secession of South Carolina (and the later states) as a personal insult as they basically left because of his election. While I think that this is a really understandable human emotion, it "hardened the pharaoh's heart" if you will making compromise from his end impossible. Congressional Republicans just used the crisis to push in policies that the Democrats had prevented them (and the Whigs) from passing in the past.

The South shot first. Before the South chose to start shooting, war was avoidable.

This argument is so old it doesn't even merit debate.

If you hang around CFC long enough, you'll learn that anything can be about the American Civil War. You just have to want it.

This quote should be the motto of CFC!
 
but I'm positive Austria-Hungary is out.

Why? Serving in the Austro-Hungarian army was fun:

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Oblt. von Nogay: I will show you, bastards! Medals?! - you want awards?! I will award you in such a way that you will remember me until the end of your lifes. Chef to me! Did you deploy the company according to my instructions?

Company chef: Yes, Sir Oberleutnant.

Oblt. von Nogay: Let's find out. Austrians, come out!

Company chef: Austrians - come out!

Oblt. von Nogay: It turns out that our company has no Austrians at all!

Company chef: I would like to report that we are all Austrians.

Oblt. von Nogay: Everyone? Interesting. So why nobody came out?

Company chef: Because Sir Oberleutnant ordered to deploy the company according to nationalities. From the right to the left there are: Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Bosnians, Croats, Poles...

Oblt. von Nogay: In other words only a herd of Slavic animals incapable of self-contained lifes. And where are Germans?

Company chef: Sir Oberleutnant deigned to interrupt me so I have not managed to mention that Germans and Hungarians are on the left wing.

Oblt. von Nogay: So there are some?! Bravo! We must celebrate this. Order your men to sing a national anthem. You did not understand? National anthem!

Company chef: Company, attention! Anthem!

Oblt. von Nogay: Sing !!!

Soldier A: Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze !!!

Oblt. von Nogay: A castrato? So we have also a castrato in this brothel?!

Company chef: Company, sing!

Soldier B: Unsern Kaiser, unser Land!

Company chef: I report that this is due to incognizance of the German language. They are aware of the national anthem, but they don't know it.

Oblt. von Nogay: They are aware but they don't know... ? So I will teach you the anthem, so you are going to sing it in a dream, with tears in your eyes, you will sing it! You politically suspicious pigs !!! In half an hour entire company with full equipment in the square. I order nightly field exercises.


Link to video.
 
Why? Serving in the Austro-Hungarian army was fun:

==========================

Oblt. von Nogay: I will show you, bastards! Medals?! - you want awards?! I will award you in such a way that you will remember me until the end of your lifes. Chef to me! Did you deploy the company according to my instructions?

Company chef: Yes, Sir Oberleutnant.

Oblt. von Nogay: Let's find out. Austrians, come out!

Company chef: Austrians - come out!

Oblt. von Nogay: It turns out that our company has no Austrians at all!

Company chef: I would like to report that we are all Austrians.

Oblt. von Nogay: Everyone? Interesting. So why nobody came out?

Company chef: Because Sir Oberleutnant ordered to deploy the company according to nationalities. From the right to the left there are: Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenes, Bosnians, Croats, Poles...

Oblt. von Nogay: In other words only a herd of Slavic animals incapable of self-contained lifes. And where are Germans?

Company chef: Sir Oberleutnant deigned to interrupt me so I have not managed to mention that Germans and Hungarians are on the left wing.

Oblt. von Nogay: So there are some?! Bravo! We must celebrate this. Order your men to sing a national anthem. You did not understand? National anthem!

Company chef: Company, attention! Anthem!

Oblt. von Nogay: Sing !!!

Soldier A: Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze !!!

Oblt. von Nogay: A castrato? So we have also a castrato in this brothel?!

Company chef: Company, sing!

Soldier B: Unsern Kaiser, unser Land!

Company chef: I report that this is due to incognizance of the German language. They are aware of the national anthem, but they don't know it.

Oblt. von Nogay: They are aware but they don't know... ? So I will teach you the anthem, so you are going to sing it in a dream, with tears in your eyes, you will sing it! You politically suspicious pigs !!! In half an our entire company with full equipment in the square. I order nightly field exercises.


Link to video.

Amazing :lol:

Is "Dezerterzy" the name of the movie?
 
Is "Dezerterzy" the name of the movie?

Yes - "C.K. Dezerterzy" is the name of the movie (and Dezerterzy means Deserters :)):

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092713/

Set in military barracks in a small town during World War I. The soldiers herded in the barracks are 'politically suspect' mix of characters from all over of the Austro-Hungarian Empire: Czechs, Jews, and even Italians, but officers in charge are Germans. A new lieutenant arrives with the mission to bring order to the unit. He is the sadist, enjoying humiliating the men. Fed up with his behaviour the lower ranks kidnap him one night and string him up in a public toilet. They also make sure that he fouls up during the inspection. Eventually the five ring leaders are imprisoned. They escape and end up in Budapest posing as guards of veterinary surgeons. They are caught and sent back to face a court martial and their old tormentor.
 
Thanks! I'll try to watch it one day and understand more than 10% ;)
 
Probably there are English subtitles available somewhere in the internet.

But some scenes are funny even if you don't understand a word. :lol:

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During inspection by a general:

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Good job that my Russian actually helps me understand some of the scenes ;). I found another movie "Colonel Kwiatkowski". I do enjoy it a little less (mostly because of politics), but it still seems an interesting film.
 
If you hang around CFC long enough, you'll learn that anything can be about the American Civil War. You just have to want it.

The same could be said about Poland...
 
Maybe the medals on the second picture could provide a hint?

They would probably help a bunch, but I'm not sure I can get any higher res than that. I can barely see them in the copy I have.

I'm thinking the design on the belt buckle could also provide a tip-off, in that it looks like an eagle of some sort, akin to the Russian flag.

But didn't a lot of Eastern European nations use the design of an eagle somewhere?

For whatever reason, I'm getting a very strong Russia vibe from the pictures.

Haven't spent much time with period uniforms though so I'm not exactly an Authority on the subject.

Well I believe that you thought it might have been Austria-Hungary or Russia, but I'm positive Austria-Hungary is out.

I think the Russian Empire or Romania are the two most logical options.

Russia would make the most sense in my opinion, just because my family who immigrated to America came from the Minsk region, and the pictures are of their fathers, or possibly grandfathers.

Romania has actually been mentioned by my family as well, which is interesting to say the least. Is there anything that can be considered distinctive in the photo that could tip off Romanian army? Or is it just he uniform in general looks Romanian/Russian?
 
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