War with Iran and its consequences

[Fox Mccloud]

Well, the Pope is definately less haetfulll, more fair, and more open-minded then you are, Unless he also yells "BUSH CAN"T DO ANYTHING RIGHT!!!111".

However, I do undderstand that it is near impossible for him to be appointed Bishop.

 

[GenMarshall]

Well, the Pope is definately less haetfulll, more fair, and more open-minded then you are, Unless he also yells "BUSH CAN"T DO ANYTHING RIGHT!!!111".

I dont speek for the Pope, All I know is that John Paul II did not approved of Bush's action in going into Iraq.

I am not hatefull, I am fair, and I am open-minded. But when it comes to Bush, I dispise that man for what he has done to put our nation in the dumpster.

 

[bgast1]

I dont speek for the Pope, All I know is that John Paul II did not approved of Bush's action in going into Iraq.

I am not hatefull, I am fair, and I am open-minded. But when it comes to Bush, I dispise that man for what he has done to put our nation in the dumpster.

Surely you can think of something positive to say about President Bush. How about the fact that he is pro-life.

 

[MobBoss]

Oh there is a possibility of terrorists trafficing via shipping containers if an Arab company has control of one of the ports. Realy, we should be managing our own ports in our own country.

But the fact is that we dont. And to descriminate against companies that do that the world over and do it very well simply because they are arabic is pretty narrow minded.

Being married automaticly disqualifys him for Pope. The Catholic Church only accepts unmarried males for the priesthood. Also what disqualifys him, is that he is not Catholic.

Bah. Technicalities. Surely they can be changed.

 

[MobBoss]

There is no such thing as "the Catholic leader of America." Catholics only need to be loyal to God and to Rome. "W" being a mass murderer and greedy corporate extortionist doesn't help his case there either.

Tell me....do you have proof that the man has ever murdered anyone in his life? Answer: Nope.

 

[Perfection]

But the fact is that we dont. And to descriminate against companies that do that the world over and do it very well simply because they are arabic is pretty narrow minded.

Damn Straight!

 

[kingjoshi]

But the fact is that we dont. And to descriminate against companies that do that the world over and do it very well simply because they are arabic is pretty narrow minded.

Just needsed repeating.

EDIT: On topic:
I'm hesitant on any attacks against Iran because I think that would then start a war. Iran would have no problems starting terroristic attacks against us and Israel and we'd fight back and it would escalate.

And you can't threaten Iran with Mutually Assured Destruction. What if some crazy bastard in power did nuke Israel? Does that warrant us nuking their whole population?

 

[Stylesjl]

I don't like bush very much at all but i think Civgeneral is being very silly to say that everything he says or does is wrong or a lie

I hate bush a lot but he isn't the devil

And about Iran

I think that bombing key facilities could get the job done and remove their nuclear capability at least temporailiy. However Iraq will probaly have to be reinforced from a counterattack across the border

 

[bhsup]

Would we even need to bomb the facilities? How about the building where the ruling council of mullahs meet...perhaps when they are meeting with that whackjob President of theirs.

 

[kingjoshi]

Would we even need to bomb the facilities? How about the building where the ruling council of mullahs meet...perhaps when they are meeting with that whackjob President of theirs.

Isn't assissation still illegal for Americans to commit? Well, Bush does think his administration is above the law...

 

[bhsup]

*Psst...hey, IDF F-15 Strike Eagle pilots, we got a target list for ya. We can't do it ourselves...assassination and all that rot*

Just pondering.

 

[kingjoshi]

I think the mullahs are a great danger, but I think killing them would be worse (same way I feel about Bush).

Anyway, it would only strengthen their resolve for getting nukes.

 

[MobBoss]

Isn't assissation still illegal for Americans to commit? Well, Bush does think his administration is above the law...

Before you get on your high horse...yes, assassination is illegal. Has been for almost 40 years.

We havent tried to assassinate anyone in decades.

 

[kingjoshi]

Before you get on your high horse...yes, assassination is illegal. Has been for almost 40 years.

We havent tried to assassinate anyone in decades.

Who said I agreed with the law? The teletubby guy suggested it. I was just saying it was illegal and later remarked I didn't think it would have any positive effects.

 

[A'AbarachAmadan]

In your view:
- How would the war with Iran take place? When?
- What would be its conseuences in the short or long run?
Discuss.

Most likely the US and its allies would hit the key facilities. Militarily the US would crush them, with a few more casualties than in Iraq, but not many. Iran has a much, much better military, but not good enough.

The Iranians would respond with a World Wide terrorist campaign that would be very effective at killing more US citizens than were lost in the entire Iraq campaign so far.

Short term, Iran stopped from developing nukes. Long term very much depends on American resolve, which I don't want to try to predict.

 

[FriendlyFire]

According to The Factbook, the US GDP grew 3.5% in 2005. The EU as a whole grew 1.7%, and Japan grew 2.1%. Not up to China and India's growth, but it sounds like the US economy is doing fairly well to me.

You missed my posted reply previously that this growth is rather artificule due to the massive defiets which the us is currently aquiring. Lets hope for a soft landing instead of the predicited crash.

 

[kingjoshi]

Most likely the US and its allies would hit the key facilities. Militarily the US would crush them, with a few more casualties than in Iraq, but not many. Iran has a much, much better military, but not good enough.

The Iranians would respond with a World Wide terrorist campaign that would be very effective at killing more US citizens than were lost in the entire Iraq campaign so far.

Short term, Iran stopped from developing nukes. Long term very much depends on American resolve, which I don't want to try to predict.

This doesn't even get into the reaction from Muslims around the world, the effects in Iraq, etc. No good can come from Iran getting nukes and no good can come from attacking Iran. :sighs:

 

[Elrohir]

Its just pure Bush propaganda just to expand his influence and power just to aquire more territories for the US. Bush lied to many times for me to believe in him. There are no Iranian Uranium Enrichment programs, there are no Iranian Nukes. If we invade, it would be like history repeating itself once again.

Which is why Iran is denying that they have a nuclear program, right? Oh, wait..... And I thought the BBC was supposed to be reliable. All this time, and they're an instrument for the Zionists!And I guess the US, Russian and Chinese foreign ministers/secretaries are all in on this too. And Time Magazine must be an instrument for the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy, which has partnered with the Zionists in a Grand Conspiracy of Evil!

Iran is most definently enriching uranium. That is empirically obvious to everyone from the UN to George Bush; if you won't admit that they you are an idiot who is clearly denying reality, period, end of discussion. How can you deny that Iran is enriching uranium? I can find you articles from 2003 that have that confirmed. For crying out loud, have you been living in a cave with your only link to civilization being the Democratic Underground website? (With "link to civilization" being used in it's broadest possible sense) Just because you don't like Bush doesn't mean you have to say he's wrong about every single thing. So why do you?

Bush is always wrong.

Oh, ok. So, when President Bush says Jesus is the Son of God, he's wrong? I thought you were a Christian and a Catholic; I guess I was wrong. So what does that make you, some sort of heretic? When he says the earth orbits the sun, is he wrong? Because he says that, does the physical order of the universe magically rearrange itself bcause Bush said it? Stop acting pedantic CG, no one is ever wrong about everything, just as no one is ever right about everything. Get a grip, it's embarassing to Americans, Christians, and the human race.

am not hatefull, I am fair, and I am open-minded. But when it comes to Bush, I dispise that man....

I only hate Bush's guts and only see him as a big fat lying meglomaniac monkey

The last time I checked, despising someone and hating them were pretty much the same thing. Nice of you to put your hypocrisy is such an easy to quote format though. You're almost as good as Pasi for providing bite-sized bits of absurdity. (See my sig)

 

[Winner]

It seems as though Britain and US are "considering an option of a strike against Iran" if it doesn't stop enriching Uranium. To me this situation is one mistake away from war.
In your view:
- How would the war with Iran take place? When?
- What would be its conseuences in the short or long run?

Discuss.

1) 2007 - US airforce makes a surprise strike against Iranian nuclear facilities and military forces

2) Iran closes Persian Gulf and several US ships are sinked. Closed Persian Gulf = 1/4 of daily oil production is out.

3) Massive Shia uprising in southern Iraq, insurgents are supplied with heavy weapons from Iran.

4) Iranian missiles hit US bases in the region and, of course, Israel. Israeli government threatens retaliation.

5) China and Russia demand cease-fire, China is hardly hit by the oil price surge. Chinese government, dependant on good results of Chinese economy, is becoming wary.

6) US starts a military campaign in Hormuz straits in order to re-open Persian Gulf for oil tankers. Despite some success, traveling through the Straits is still too dangerous and oil prices continue to rise.

7) US gov. is under heavy pressure to end the war. Western allies and China need oil, US public is fed up with heavy casaulties. Russia is happy, because it can now sell oil for three times as much as it used to before the war. Of course, both China and Russia continue to supply Iran with weapons.

8) Cease-fire.

Results:

- Iranian nuclear program seriously damaged.
- Iranian military undefeated.
- Iranian influence in the region higher.
- US influence in the region lower.
- US popularity in the world - destroyed.
- Iranian control over the Hormuz Straits - unchallenged.
- Iraq in civil war.
- Russian power bigger.
- Chinese power bigger.
- Western power lower.
- Casaulties very high.
...

List goes on. The war would be a marginal military victory, but decisive political defeat for the United States. Iran would suffer heavy casaulties, but its power and influence in the region would rise.

Recommendations: don't start war with Iran, focus on anti-missile defense instead.

 

[Nobody]

Crazy americans fighting over if George bush is catholic enough to become pope, or if the UAE is sneaking terrorists in on there cargo ships. When the thread about possible war with Iran.