Was Adam a Slave?

[Ziggy Stardust]

Is God subject to it's own emotions?

 

[El_Machinae]

What books have I quoted? As a factual matter, I am interested.

Do we know the bolded? That seems a matter of belief, which I happen not to share.

J

You quoted a bunch! As to whether it's 'know' or a 'belief' is not germane to the discussion. The Universe tells us about the nature of god, and our knowledge is greater than before.

First book, first chapter, verse 26. The context is the creation of man.

1:26 Then God said, “Let us make 47

humankind 48 in our image, after our likeness, 49 so they may rule 50 over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth, 51 and over all the creatures that move 52 on the earth.”

1:27 God created humankind 53 in his own image,

in the image of God he created them, 54

male and female he created them. 55
https://net.bible.org/#!bible/Genesis+1:24

Here is the first note. It is a fairly complex issue.

47 sn The plural form of the verb has been the subject of much discussion through the years, and not surprisingly several suggestions have been put forward. Many Christian theologians interpret it as an early hint of plurality within the Godhead, but this view imposes later trinitarian concepts on the ancient text. Some have suggested the plural verb indicates majesty, but the plural of majesty is not used with verbs. C. Westermann (Genesis, 1:145) argues for a plural of “deliberation” here, but his proposed examples of this use (2 Sam 24:14; Isa 6:8) do not actually support his theory. In 2 Sam 24:14 David uses the plural as representative of all Israel, and in Isa 6:8 the Lord speaks on behalf of his heavenly court. In its ancient Israelite context the plural is most naturally understood as referring to God and his heavenly court (see 1 Kgs 22:19-22; Job 1:6-12; 2:1-6; Isa 6:1-8). (The most well-known members of this court are God’s messengers, or angels. In Gen 3:5 the serpent may refer to this group as “gods/divine beings.” See the note on the word “evil” in 3:5.) If this is the case, God invites the heavenly court to participate in the creation of humankind (perhaps in the role of offering praise, see Job 38:7), but he himself is the one who does the actual creative work (v. 27). Of course, this view does assume that the members of the heavenly court possess the divine “image” in some way. Since the image is closely associated with rulership, perhaps they share the divine image in that they, together with God and under his royal authority, are the executive authority over the world.

See, a buncha quoted books about singular or plural. Most of 'em, we have good reason to believe they didn't have insight into the nature of God. Others? Well, I have yet to see a good reason to assume that they had any type of insight.

 

[onejayhawk]

One book and one commentary on the same book, made in direct response to a request for a citation, is not "you then quoted books that made egregious errors of fact." If you are going to show this level of contempt for the facts, there is no point in having a discussion.

J

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Could

Let us make humankind in our image, after our likeness

not indicate there are more gods?

Not talking fact, I'm talking possibility.

 

[onejayhawk]

Could

not indicate there are more gods?

Not talking fact, I'm talking possibility.

We do not know what exactly that means. We do have the same person saying, "The Lord your God is one God."

J

 

[El_Machinae]

One book and one commentary on the same book, made in direct response to a request for a citation, is not "you then quoted books that made egregious errors of fact." If you are going to show this level of contempt for the facts, there is no point in having a discussion.

It's not contempt of the facts, I saw that you had quoted multiple books of the Bible. Where I am from, we call 'Genesis' a book of the Bible. Isaiah would be another book of the Bible. If you quote from Genesis and from Isaiah, we'd say you'd 'quoted from two books'.

edit: I see, you were quoting a passage that quoted from multiple books. Fair 'nuff. Retracted.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We do not know what exactly that means. We do have the same person saying, "The Lord your God is one God."

J

Many gods, we've got one of them.

Together they form The Creator, who created the Universe. But apart they've got less power than they would united.

God is a Power Ranger.

 

[timtofly]

Could

not indicate there are more gods?

Not talking fact, I'm talking possibility.

Many gods, we've got one of them.

Together they form The Creator, who created the Universe. But apart they've got less power than they would united.

God is a Power Ranger.

It still seems reverse engineering God in our own image.

 

[Narz]

You're not seriously saying that the God of the Bible is a better person than Einstein, are you?

 

[Farm Boy]

One third of the Trinitarian Christian God was a person in the bible, so that's an odd way to ask the question. What perspective is there to gain by comparing Einstein to Jesus? Legit curious how you're taking that.

 

[Narz]

I was just joking really. Still though, the God of the Old Testament is a pretty horrendous person. Just what he did to Job alone puts him up there with the most sadistic serial killers of our time (murdering his whole family over a bet with the devil, makes the bet from Trading Places seem tame).

 

[timtofly]

God murders everyone. If you are going to take that route.

 

[onejayhawk]

You're not seriously saying that the God of the Bible is a better person than Einstein, are you?

I said smarter. Much smarter.

J

 

[MagisterCultuum]

My translation says, "fruit." It does not say "apple." Why is it when we talk about a "friut" we think of "apple?" Why not ?

It comes from a Latin visual pun often found in religious artwork in Roman Catholic Churches.

The Latin word for apple is mālum.
The Latin word for evil is malum.

(The first vowel in apple is longer than in evil, but that may be less noticeable since the accent is on that syllable either way. Also, macrons were almost never actually used in writing. In medieval Europe, far more people could read Latin than could speak it with proper pronunciations.)

The two words are similar enough that it was thought that this type of fruit was particularly well suited to represent the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, through which all evils entered the world.



Also, the English word apple originally not to a specific species of fruit but to fruit in general. It apparently could refer to nuts too, but not berries.

The banana was originally called the "appel of paradis" in around 1400.




In the Eastern Orthodox Church, where they spoke Greek instead of Latin, the fruit was not portrayed the same. It was most commonly shown as a fig, because Adam and Eve clothed themselves in fig leaves once they realized their nakedness; they presumably would have covered themselves with whatever was closest to them, and fig leaves would be closest if they had just eaten fig. Other Greek religious art portrayed the fruit as a Pomegranate, drawing a parallel with the myth of Persephone and Hades.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The apple of paradise. Great line for picking up chicks.

 

[Harv]

The banana was originally called the "appel of paradis."

I seem to remember something about a pun or something in one of the ancient languages. There is also a whole bunch of word association with apples and fruit. Thanks for the clarification.

The apple of paradise. Great line for picking up chicks.

Adam: Madam Im Adam.
Eve: Hi Adam. Is that a banana in your pocket. . . .

Wait a minute..... they were both naked.....

Eve: Hi Adam. Is that a banana in your hand?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, no, no, no.

Is that an apple of paradise in your pocket/hand ...?

 

[onejayhawk]

Just happy to see you.

J

 

[Hygro]

Did God have a say in the universe he created? Did he have any choice in what universe was created, or that it was created?

I do not understand the thrust of your question. You seem to be presupposing an answer. If God does not have a say, how can you call him a creator or say he created the universe?

It's a yes or no question. It seems like your answer is "yes"?

 

[onejayhawk]

It's a yes or no question. It seems like your answer is "yes"?

One does not ask if the the sky is blue to find out if the sky is blue. Questions with obvious answers usually have another purpose.

J