What 10 Civilizations will be in Beyond the Sword?

[Pratputajao]

Well, with four announced, that leaves six. Here's my list:

Siam/Thailand
Burma/Myanmar
Maya
Austria
Byzantine
Ethiopia

But I'd also like to see:

Poland
Huns

You will without a doubt see Vietnam before Burma/Myanmar although the latter would at time eclips all SE asian cutures in pure military power. But Vietnam was much more stable culture. 2000 years of history is a good thing

 

[DutchJob]

WE'RE BACK!!! MUAHAHAH!!!

And Hero, we Dutch are not minor. Nations that pick on small non-industrialized states and call that spreading democracy are minor. ass.

 

[Hero]

Dutch do not deserve to be included. Except maybe as the Spanish Netherlands.

 

[Tomek]

Firaxis did it on purpose mentioned just few civs to make us beg for more information

@mitsho - he's name is Tadeusz Kościuszko (read Taddheush Kosh-t'ushko), he might be the one as he also fought for USA and was even a general of USA army, so Firaxis' employees should know him. In Poland he was a leader of anti-Russian uprising. However we prefer our kings: John III Sobieski, Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great), Władysław Jagiełło as they ruled Polnd in better times.
Polish husaria and John III Sobieski fit into Europe vs Turks scenario, but I'm not too optimistic about it. I think that Firaxis will add 'civilizations' like native tribes of Oceania, Americas etc to keep BtS "culturally diversified"

Just to make full picture of Polish leaders: a considerable alternative is Pilsudski - Polish leader who beat Russians in 1920 war (famous battle of Warsaw that is considered as a one that changed the worlds history) and lead Polish nation to restore back our independence after 1918.


rgds

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

@Haro -If Portugal and Netherlands are minor, your nation is minor as well.

 

[Slaughter]

WE'RE BACK!!! MUAHAHAH!!!

And Hero, we Dutch are not minor. Nations that pick on small non-industrialized states and call that spreading democracy are minor. ass.

I concur!!

 

[Elras]

My ten

1) Luxemburg
2) Andorra
3) Monaco
4) Liechtenstein
5) Singapore
6) Lesotho
7) Bhutan
8) Sierre Leone
9) Togo
10) Iceland

..what?

 

[Hero]

@Haro -If Portugal and Netherlands are minor, your nation is minor as well.

If the Netherlands is not minor, then what nation is? Are there 200 major nations in the world?

 

[Fideel]

Right..

(wiki)

"Timur's legacy is a mixed one, for while Central Asia blossomed, some say even peaked, under his reign, other places such as Baghdad, Damascus, Delhi and other Arab, Persian, Indian and Turkic cities were sacked and destroyed, and many thousands of people were slaughtered brutally. Thus, while Timur remains a hero of sorts in Central Asia, he is vilified by many in Arab, Persian and Indian societies."


Lets make Alexander Indian leader!

OK, he might not be as Persian as Cyrus or Xerxes. But in his time he was one of the biggest leaders in the world and the core of what he ruled was now Persia.

Besides, also from wiki:
Mongol/Turkic origin, his culture was heavily Persian.

And how would you put Akbar into Civ? He ruled in India, but was from Turkic origin. Many world leaders rule in countries they're not from. The Orange in William of Orange is a city in south France! Alexander was Macedonian, not Greek. He just conquered the Greek city states. And he was planning to rule his empire from Persia!

I think you have the civs right. Personaly I would switch the Byzantians with a Polish or Hungarian Civ but I think this will be the list too.
Leaders are almost all reasonable.

Thanks.

My changes:
Native Americans: Sitting Bull (already confirmed)

of course

Ethiopia/Abbesynia: Menelik II

Maybe Menelik is more Ethiopian than Makeda/Bilqis. She could be Yemenite. Even North Arabian. But I think we need more female leaders. And the Queen of Sheba is one of the strongest women in African history.

Polynesia: Don't know who to choose they were spread over so many small islands and all had small kingdoms. Maybe a Hawaiian or a Maori Leader.

I had to do some research too, and Hotu Matu'a seems like the biggest name.

Maya: Pacal

Agree. I just said Smoke Jaguar since they used him in CivIII.

Israel/Hebrew: David.

mmmh ... I doubt. Solomon has connections with Ethiopia and might be a bit more convenient.

France : Charles de Gaulle (sort of confirmed, his picture is recognized on the firaxis site. The big background one on the main announcement page)

OK, now I saw it too ... So the other Charles. It's weird there hasn't been a Charlemagne in CivIII or CivIV. He was the biggest king of the early middle ages. But he's too much in the middle German and French. Maybe just a scenario about him would be fine.

Spain : Phillip II

That would solve the problem of Charles being king of Spain or Holy Roman Emperor.

Greece ericles
Japan: Meiji
Arabs: Abu Bakr

I all agree too. Yongle and Tamerlane are bit closer to the gunpowder age though. And Germany deserves a more early leader, since Frederick and Bismarck are too 19th-20th century.
But there are so many posibilities for new leaders. History's just too rich! That's why I like it so much.

 

[Fideel]

If the Netherlands is not minor, then what nation is? Are there 200 major nations in the world?

you don't know much about history, don't you.
New York was once New Amsterdam.
They had a lot of colonies in the Caribean & East Asia.
Few nations were so powerful in the 17th century, their GOLDEN CENTURY.

Maybe a sign of an Italian civ:

It's Il Duomo of Florence in the banner.
Maybe an Italian/Florence civ with Cosimo de' Medici as a leader?

 

[mitsho]

@mitsho - he's name is Tadeusz Kościszko (read Taddheush Kosh-t'ushko), he might be the one as he also fought for USA and was even a general of USA army, so Firaxis' employees should know him. In Poland he was a leader of anti-Russian uprising. However we prefer our kings: John III Sobieski, Kazimierz Wielki (Casimir The Great), Władysław Jagiełło as they ruled Polnd in better times.
Polish husaria and John III Sobieski fit into Europe vs Turks scenario, but I'm not too optimistic about it. I think that Firaxis will add 'civilizations' like native tribes of Oceania, Americas etc to keep BtS "culturally diversified"

Hey, I don't need information on poor old Taddeusz, i'm a history student and've been treating him just last semester . the way I wrote him is btw. the English way (used by wikipedia) and it's really much more easier writing it without the ` and so on... (it was on purpose).

This is why I chose him: Poland is famous not for saving Europe from the Turks or Russians (which is often thought by themselves, not? We would never allow that ) but for being an early nationalistic, liberal "nation" of Europe (1st constitution, just count all the rebellions against Russia, etc. ...) and for being parted three times. I wouldn't define height with power, but it is clear that Poland(-Lithuania) was more powerful when it stretched from the Baltic to the Black Sea than when it couldn't even be found on any contemporary map...

But in the end, it is subjective, and Sobieski could get the interesting Chm/Cre combination. So they all would fit, I do think the chances for Poland are quite good this time. We get 6 new at the moment unknown civs, if we add civs that have already appeared once in a civ game (Sumeria, Byzantium, Hittites, Austria, Iroquois) we still have one place left. But they won't bring back all these civs but they need to have some fresh blood in there (hint: Mali). That's why I think Poland actually has a chance this time...

mick

 

[Bongo-Bongo]

Personally, I think the Mayans are a pretty safe bet. And I wouldn't be suprised if the Summerians and Byzantines are included as well. Beyond them, I think the other 3 Civs are likely to be Khmer, the Hittites and either Poland or Ethiopia. I think Dacia would be a cool inclusion, but I can't see them making it in.

 

[Onagan]

New York was indeed founded as Nieuw Amsterdam.
Cape Town, South Africa was founded as Kaapstad by the V.O.C. (United East-Indian Company)
Abel Tasman discovered New Zealand (named after the dutch province Zeeland) and Tasmania.
Cape Hoorn on the southern tip of America is named after the city Hoorn.
"We" the Dutch sailed across the world and because the small size of the home nation, we could only support coastal strongholds. Other countries like France, Spain & England had enough too control the inland regions.
And where the only european nation that had access to the Japanese market, as others where banned.
Overall we had a period where we a world-power.

 

[Kietharr]

If the Netherlands is not minor, then what nation is? Are there 200 major nations in the world?

The relevance of a nation is not purely measured on empire size or military victories. The Dutch owned a trading empire that spanned the renissance world, breaking arab and italian monopolies on spices and coffee. They also were major players in the slave trade. However, calling the United States a minor nation is also a falsehood on any scale, as we're currently the most powerful and 4th largest Nation in the world, we're 3rd in population and we were the first nation founded on Democratic ideals.

Anyways, I hope they don't do somthing dumb like giving portugal or the netherlands a naval UU unless it is MUCH better than normal era ships, maybe a galleon with 5 slots but 1 lest strength for the Dutch? Given a frigate escort, it would be a fitting and useful UU. Whatever they do, they can't make it much worse than the Man'o'War from civ3, although the dromon was pretty tight.

 

[gettingfat]

Voice from an Asian:

New civs:

• Vietnamese: A civ that defeated Mongolians and Americans,
• Siamese: the only South East Asian civ not colonized by Europeans, still strong

New leaders:

• Vietnamese: Ho Chi Minh (organized/protective or organized/charismatic), like him or not, there is a city using his name
• Siamese: King Mongkut (creative/philosophical or creative/organized), forget his actual contribution, just his presence in the King and I (or Anna and the King) makes him a worthwhile leader candidate
• Chinese: Tang Taizong (creative/financial), time to put in the leader agreed by most Chinese historians to be the gold standard of ancient Chinese emperors. Chinese don't called themselves "Tang people" for no reason.
• Japanese: Oda Nobunaga (aggressive/charismatic) or Toyotomi Hideyoshi (imperialistic/aggressive). These two legends probably contributed more to Japan unification than Tokugawa. Indeed, there are Japanese PC game series devoted to each of them.

New Wanders:

• Kiyomizu-Dera , Leshan Giant Buddha

P.S. time to stop making every East Asian leader protective, PLEASE

 

[Gladi]

Bright day
I read that Sitting Bull was actually Lakota... Anybody knows better?

Oh, I would to see Mkongo or Mutapa in game.

 

[mitsho]

Lakota is just another name for the Sioux (speak: [Sou]), I think.

mick

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Sitting Bull belongs to Hunkpapa tribe. Sioux is short for naddowessioux which means snake.

 

[Koelle]

Voice from an Asian:

New civs:

• Vietnamese: A civ that defeated Mongolians and Americans,
• Siamese: the only South East Asian civ not colonized by Europeans, still strong

New leaders:

• Vietnamese: Ho Chi Minh (organized/protective or organized/charismatic), like him or not, there is a city using his name
• Siamese: King Mongkut (creative/philosophical or creative/organized), forget his actual contribution, just his presence in the King and I (or Anna and the King) makes him a worthwhile leader candidate
• Chinese: Tang Taizong (creative/financial), time to put in the leader agreed by most Chinese historians to be the gold standard of ancient Chinese emperors. Chinese don't called themselves "Tang people" for no reason.
• Japanese: Oda Nobunaga (aggressive/charismatic) or Toyotomi Hideyoshi (imperialistic/aggressive). These two legends probably contributed more to Japan unification than Tokugawa. Indeed, there are Japanese PC game series devoted to each of them.

New Wanders:

• Kiyomizu-Dera , Leshan Giant Buddha

P.S. time to stop making every East Asian leader protective, PLEASE

Very nice choice. Since the expansion will focus on the late-game time periods after the invention of gunpowder and during that brief period of time, the Vietnamese had been involved in alot successful wars with other great civs like America, France, China, ... Vietnam is an ancient civ too(4000 years old if IRCC). Their nation wonder should be "Temple of Literature: a confucian temple but functioned as the national university, one of the oldest universities in the world. I would also be nice to see Vietnam and Siam fighting at the battle of Angkor Wat. The Khmers surely wont complain about this choice as their wonder has been in the game for a while

 

[durfal]

Many world leaders rule in countries they're not from. The Orange in William of Orange is a city in south France!

Actually the French "Orange" region was only an inheritance in which he got a lot of his money too. He originated from Nassau which is in nowadays Germany.
The "Familyname" of our royal family is still "van Oranje-Nassau"
(of Orange-Nassau), so actually he is of German blood. (which is a line from our national anthem)

I have only two concerns.
One is if this time Firaxis uses the corrrect leaderhead. Last time they used the wrong reverence of another William, namely the one who was King of England (and stadholder of Holland at the same time) and who was also known as William of Orange (almost all our male rulers are called William of Orange, inluding the nowadays Crown Prince will be named that way when he is crowned). The correct William was also called William the Silent (Willem de Zwijger).And his title should be Stadholder and not King because we became a kingdom only in the 19the century.
We were at his time during the 16th century the first "modern" republic.

And secondly I hope they use a serious citylist. In civ 3 it was a joke with "cities" almost nobody even heard about here. After some reseach we found out they used hamlets with less then 50 inhabitants as cities just because there is nowaday a ferry there to one of the Waddenisles in the North of the country . And they totaly forgot historic ports and cities from the 17th century.