What additional civilizations do you want in Civilization 5? [Post-BNW Edition]

[phaethon16]

Just because I've never heard it suggested, why Georgia?

 

[ldvhl]

I have Georgia in my wanted list because it has an interesting history, lots of options for leaders, and potential for interesting UX.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Just because I've never heard it suggested, why Georgia?

Personally I prefer Armenia more so than Georgia, but Georgia has some things going for it:

• Long history as well
• Strong Christian culture
• Was a regional power in some parts of its history
• Some interesting possibilities for UAs based on its culture or its mountainous terrain
• One of its greatest leaders was female, Tamar, so she'd make for a good female leader

That's all I can think of right now. Others who know more or better about Georgia can provide some more information.

 

[phaethon16]

Really quickly, if an expansion was made off this poll, the civs that would be in are
Kongo
Vietnam
Khmer
Sumer
Hungary
Israel
Tibet
Pueblo
Other
Aside from the fact that Pueblo would have to be changed to Navajo or something and Other would be a random dark horse, do people like this list? Does this reflect what each of you individually wants?

 

[cybrxkhan]

Really quickly, if an expansion was made off this poll, the civs that would be in are
Kongo
Vietnam
Khmer
Sumer
Hungary
Israel
Tibet
Pueblo
Other
Aside from the fact that Pueblo would have to be changed to Navajo or something and Other would be a random dark horse, do people like this list? Does this reflect what each of you individually wants?

That's not too shabby of list, I would think - not the best, but good enough for me. Personally I would replace Sumer with another Middle Eastern civ from elsewhere, or an African civ, but that's a decent list I'd say.

I'm actually surprised Vietnam's doing so well - right now it's the second highest after Kongo. Guess people really want them Trung Sisters, no?

 

[otaman1]

Georgia
Leader: David IV
Capital: Tbilisi
UA: Georgian Golden Age - +2 extra culture from all Great Works; production bonus towards Great Work buildings; Great Artists generates 45% faster
UU: Khmali Swordsman - replaces Swordsman; earns random promotion; earn experience 25% faster; stronger than the base unit
UU: Georgian Legion - replaces Great War infantry; +25% defensive bonus outside of friendly territory; can attack twice in a single turn

 

[Altisma]

Really quickly, if an expansion was made off this poll, the civs that would be in are
Kongo
Vietnam
Khmer
Sumer
Hungary
Israel
Tibet
Pueblo
Other
Aside from the fact that Pueblo would have to be changed to Navajo or something and Other would be a random dark horse, do people like this list? Does this reflect what each of you individually wants?

The list is missing Italy.

 

[ldvhl]

The list is missing Italy.

It's just a list of the top nine civs on the poll. Since Italy isn't on the poll, it can't be on the list.

 

[phaethon16]

That's not too shabby of list, I would think - not the best, but good enough for me. Personally I would replace Sumer with another Middle Eastern civ from elsewhere, or an African civ, but that's a decent list I'd say.

I'm actually surprised Vietnam's doing so well - right now it's the second highest after Kongo. Guess people really want them Trung Sisters, no?

Never underestimate the popularity of cut-throat women. Seriously though, either Israel or Sumer should be dropped for a different civ; too much Middle East.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Never underestimate the popularity of cut-throat women. Seriously though, either Israel or Sumer should be dropped for a different civ; too much Middle East.

Too much Near East, rather - there's still some spots to be filled in the Caucasus, Greater Iran and Central Asia.

 

[phaethon16]

Agreed. For instance, I wouldn't classify Armenia or the Timurids as the Middle East.

 

[Iklabain]

Agreed. For instance, I wouldn't classify Armenia or the Timurids as the Middle East.

Although I think that Israel is a gap that must be filled.

And for the list you made-some people may vote for the Sumerians but I think the inclusion of Nubia, Ukraine and Gran Colombia is far more likely. As for Tibet... we all know the deal on that... it's not gonna happen, it would be nice... but it's not gonna happen, so a viable replacement would be one of these 3: Timurids, Nepal and Mughals .
I hope for another expansion.

 

[Iklabain]

Really quickly, if an expansion was made off this poll, the civs that would be in are
Kongo
Vietnam
Khmer
Sumer
Hungary
Israel
Tibet
Pueblo
Other
Aside from the fact that Pueblo would have to be changed to Navajo or something and Other would be a random dark horse, do people like this list? Does this reflect what each of you individually wants?

So we have our list.
What would people think for details of these civs? Such as colors, symbol, UUs, UAs, UBs, UIs, leader and starting bias?

 

[cybrxkhan]

So we have our list.
What would people think for details of these civs? Such as colors, symbol, UUs, UAs, UBs, UIs, leader and starting bias?

I'll start with leaders, that's sort of easy. Bolded are the ones I think should be chosen.

Kongo - Afonso I, Joao I
Vietnam - Trung Trac/Trung Sisters, Le Loi, Quang Trung, Tran Hung Dao, Nguyen Anh, Ngo Quyen, An Duong Vuong, Ly Thai Tong, Ly Thanh Tong, Ly Nhan Tong, Trieu Thi Thinh, Tran Than Tong, Ho Chi Minh No.
Khmer - Suryvarman II, Jayavarman VII, Jayavarman II
Sumer - Gilgamesh, Sargon, Ur-Nammu, Shulgi
Hungary - Matthias Corvinus, Arpad, Stephen I, Loius I (I think... that one, right?), Bela III, I know there's a few figures but I don't remember them off the top o fmy head
Israel - David, Solomon, that Maccabee dude (I think avoiding modern leaders would be a good idea, as the devs have done so far for most civs)
Tibet - Songsten Gampo
Pueblo - well, they probably won't be in

 

[phaethon16]

Aside from leaders and colors, we shouldn't get into UA, UU, UB, and UI stuff, because a new expansion would mean new mechanics we don't know about. For Kongo, I hate to say it but thre's a good chance we'd get Nzinga in a Boudicca-style civ. It would be wrong, but it's a definite possibility.

 

[SnowKomodo]

I find it hard to imagine the devs would seriously consider Israel, Tibet, Pueblo again, or even Burma. Without derailing into specifics, too much modern baggage comes into question. Some minor, some major.

Could be wrong though. Hope I am! All fascinating histories

 

[SnowKomodo]

I'll start with leaders, that's sort of easy. Bolded are the ones I think should be chosen.

Kongo - Afonso I, Joao I
Vietnam - Trung Trac/Trung Sisters, Le Loi, Quang Trung, Tran Hung Dao, Nguyen Anh, Ngo Quyen, An Duong Vuong, Ly Thai Tong, Ly Thanh Tong, Ly Nhan Tong, Trieu Thi Thinh, Tran Than Tong, Ho Chi Minh No.
Khmer - Suryvarman II, Jayavarman VII, Jayavarman II
Sumer - Gilgamesh, Sargon, Ur-Nammu, Shulgi
Hungary - Matthias Corvinus, Arpad, Stephen I, Loius I (I think... that one, right?), Bela III, I know there's a few figures but I don't remember them off the top o fmy head
Israel - David, Solomon, that Maccabee dude (I think avoiding modern leaders would be a good idea, as the devs have done so far for most civs)
Tibet - Songsten Gampo
Pueblo - well, they probably won't be in

These leaders make sense to me

 

[SnowKomodo]

Matthias Corvinus was so interesting. Anybody who hasn't heard of him, strongly suggest looking him up anywhere you can

(Khmer leaders as well. All three that cybrxkhan listed. Amazingly influential individuals)



Hungarians, who would be the consensus best leader (or at least according to majority of Hungarians)?

 

[cybrxkhan]

(Khmer leaders as well. All three that cybrxkhan listed. Amazingly influential individuals)

Very much. I know a number of forumites here tend to list Suryvarman II as their default choice for Khmer leader (or at least that's the impression I got), but Jayavarman II and Jayavarman VII would present different visions of the Khmer Empire as well. Whereas Suryvarman II represents its architectural achievements (mainly through Angkor Wat), Jayavarman VII represents its Buddhist side and its imperialistic, militaristic side (what with his military campaigning and all), while Jayavarman II to me is sort of like what George Washington is to the Americans in Civ5 and Cyrus was to the Persians in Civ4 - a "founder" figure who can embody sort of everything that Civ is.

So the Khmer does have some diversity of leaders to choose from. Contrast that with, say, Vietnam, on the other hand - pretty much all those leaders I listed would, if put in game, have mostly the "gtfo of our land or we'll guerilla warfare you to death" aspect to play up (even though a number of them did have other achievements too, of course, but that military defensiveness is still the main thing).

 

[mitsho]

See the civ suggestion thread for a design for each of those suggested civs.

Wasn't Sury the leader in civ4 which would explain his popularity