What can the Democrats do?

Also, I'd like to repeat what I've said previously: Sports shouldn't be segregated on biological sex anyway because there are plenty of other genetic factors that can affect performance. C'mon Republicans! I thought you were against DEI!
Straight-up "person vs person" would be fair for the spirit of "let's find who's best at it", so I'm fine with it.
But I don't think you really realize who would actually be against it nor what it would end up doing to the world of sport.
 
Increasingly convinced that the existence of things like social mixed netball have insulated us as society from the complete brainrot that has infected Americans, who barely have community level organised adult sport at all, regarding sport and gender in general.
 
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The worm will turn in 2028.

When the Democrats one day regain control, I'd say go wild until the Supreme Court and Congress finally put some rules upon the Executive Branch once and for all.
 
What kind of candidate is needed? Older? Experienced? Not white? Not male? A governor? A Senator? If Obama were eligible, could he win? Would their home state be important? Michelle Goldberg of the NYT has some ideas.

A capitalist. Someone with skin in the game. I think the lesson is: we're through electing "representatives". With stakes getting higher we'll be seeing more of capitalists assuming direct control, as dictated by maturity of the system we find ourselves in.

I wouldn't be surprised by Thiel/Musk stepping in directly in 2028 or mid-tier candidates (Ramaswamy/Jamie Dimon).
 
Bloomberg tried to run recently and lost in the primary. Celebrity is better than money, I think.
 
Without a cult of personality like Trump, there's no reason for an oligarch to paint a target on their back by running themselves when a puppet will do.

A cult of personality isn’t usually the reason someone runs for office. The cult of personality functions more as a means of securing and maintaining power once a person is already in the political arena.

The reasons are usually money and power. Sometimes we can add elements of fame, legacy or ideology to the mix. The reason that I think we'll have capitalists running the offices from now on is that The Capital have concentrated beyond anything we've seen in recent times. These "magnificent seven" companies are all trillionaires and it is becoming increasingly risky to rely on a puppet in such circumstance. For clarity, I don't consider Trump a capitalist of the highest order. He is an ample demonstration of what can go wrong with "your" capital once you place largely uncontrollable high-tier businessman with an agenda in charge.
 
A cult of personality isn’t usually the reason someone runs for office. The cult of personality functions more as a means of securing and maintaining power once a person is already in the political arena.

The reasons are usually money and power. Sometimes we can add elements of fame, legacy or ideology to the mix. The reason that I think we'll have capitalists running the offices from now on is that The Capital have concentrated beyond anything we've seen in recent times. These "magnificent seven" companies are all trillionaires and it is becoming increasingly risky to rely on a puppet in such circumstance. For clarity, I don't consider Trump a capitalist of the highest order. He is an ample demonstration of what can go wrong with "your" capital once you place largely uncontrollable high-tier businessman with an agenda in charge.
It's not the reason, but without it, running yourself as a Capitalist is a non-starter.
 
Yeah, it's not the reason one runs; it's just useful to one's run.

Trump is less a businessman than he is a showman. From all accounts, he's actually not a particularly good businessman. But he did have a successful TV show (where, ironically, he played the part of a successful businessman:lol:). And he parlayed that into electoral success, elections also being in some measure a kind of popularity contest. A lot of actually successful business folk aren't terribly charismatic: Forbes and Bloomberg are good examples. I've never actually seen Thiel, so I can't judge in his case. (Maybe there's a reason I haven't seen him?)

Anyway (for the zillionth time, I know), this is my reason for thinking that the Trump electorate fragments and collapses upon his exit. When your favorite TV show ends and some other network tries to make a clone of it, it's just not the same, and the audience for that second show never duplicates the one for the original.
 
From all accounts, he's actually not a particularly good businessman.
He is a terrible businessman. He bankrupted 3 casinos. Casinos print money for the owners; millions of dollars every year. To bankrupt one you have to be a special kind of stupid.
 
I was employing understatement.
 
He is a terrible businessman. He bankrupted 3 casinos. Casinos print money for the owners; millions of dollars every year. To bankrupt one you have to be a special kind of stupid.
Or a special kind of smart.

The instigator(s) buys a casino (or a monopoly water company).

Takes out various loans/third party investment against the casino/water company's assured income stream until excessively indebted.

Then transfers the benefits of those loans to separate companies they control.

And then lets the casino/water company go bankrupt invalidating those loans or third party investments.

While the separate companies controlled or owned by the instigator(s) have the benefits without the liabilities.
 
Anyway, at heart he's way more a showman than a businessman, and even when he was operating as a businessman, he was doing it for show: i.e. he was super eager to advertise his supposed business successes for adulation rather than just, say, enjoy the profits they brought him.

He should have just used the fact that his dad's fortune set him up for life and pursued his real ambition of being a stand-up comedian:

Sheeesh! These new high efficiency toilets . . . amirite?
I mean, you have to flush and flush and flush . . .
just to get one incriminating document to go down the tubes.
 
Or a special kind of smart.

The instigator(s) buys a casino (or a monopoly water company).

Takes out various loans/third party investment against the casino/water company's assured income stream until excessively indebted.

Then transfers the benefits of those loans to separate companies they control.

And then lets the casino/water company go bankrupt invalidating those loans or third party investments.

While the separate companies controlled or owned by the instigator(s) have the benefits without the liabilities.
The leveraged buyout strategy of the 80s and 90s was a way to gain riches at the expense of others. Typically, the process involved buying one or more smaller companies, using a "promise to pay later" strategy with the old owners, Striping down the company to extract cash now, bankrupting the company to invalidate all future payments to previous owners, Selling the company to a new company the pirates own and moving on. With casinos there is no need to go through all those hoops. Casinos usually drop 7-10% of net win (equivalent to sales) as annual profit without any effort. The largest casino NM which is small by Vegas or Atlantic City standards will drop $100 million annually to the owners. Trump was so poor at money management that he had to "borrow" hundreds of millions from his father to keep his casinos afloat.

 
He's well spoken, and can handle a little verbal rough and tumble. It's a big asset. There's huge appetite for it amongst Dems, and I think he can do it consistently in a way that appeals to those outside the true blue.

Perhaps most importantly? He appears to have a spine. He has mixed it up with both Republicans and those who would prefer him to be more of an activist. I think spine is a huge asset in and of itself, especially after an era in which Dems appear to have triangulated extensively.

Probably appeals to democrat establishment but he's not a progressive for sapphire blue types.
 
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Anyway (for the zillionth time, I know), this is my reason for thinking that the Trump electorate fragments and collapses upon his exit. When your favorite TV show ends and some other network tries to make a clone of it, it's just not the same, and the audience for that second show never duplicates the one for the original.
His own cult of personality will die, but the damage to liberal democratic institutions and shifting of the US overton window to far right will remain. The question is who or what fills that gap on the right.
 
His own cult of personality will die, but the damage to liberal democratic institutions and shifting of the US overton window to far right will remain. The question is who or what fills that gap on the right.
My own thought is that the right will be thrown into disarray, as some would-be successors (Vance, Don Jr.) chase after the Trump voting base and some (Haley, Rubio) try to steer back to older ways of being a Republican (and neither group gets much traction). I'm not worried about the Overton window per se; people actually like Democratic policies, when presented without a party label; so that can shift back, when Trump isn't badmouthing them through a bullhorn every day. Trump has done considerable damage to democratic institutions, you're right, most crucially pointing out their vulnerabilities (and any authoritarian-minded successor who could get traction could continue exploiting those vulnerabilities). I don't know if any damage has yet been altogether irreparable (though the SC nonsense will afflict us for the rest of my lifetime). I'll have to muse on that.
 
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