What civs are missing from Civ3?
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For the Ethiopians I'd actually go for the bombard unit
0/0/2 Bombard: 3/1/1 for 10 gold? Even allow them to be drafted as when they defeated the Italians in the 19th century it was with 100,000 people, nearly all just 'regular people'.
For the aboriginie, I'd be inclinced to go for a bola wielder rather than a blow pipe so...
2/1/2 (replaces horseman) for 20 gold that doesn't require horses? (-10 gold, -horses basically), this could represent horsemen and fast moving troops being unable to run from the bolas
They were skilled javilneers, so how about a:
0/0/2 Bombard: 3/1/1 for 10 gold? Even allow them to be drafted as when they defeated the Italians in the 19th century it was with 100,000 people, nearly all just 'regular people'.
For the aboriginie, I'd be inclinced to go for a bola wielder rather than a blow pipe so...
2/1/2 (replaces horseman) for 20 gold that doesn't require horses? (-10 gold, -horses basically), this could represent horsemen and fast moving troops being unable to run from the bolas
Antiochus VII
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I'm kind of repeating myself here, but is it necessary that Polands unigue unit spin off the knight? I would say Poland reached its peak ("golden age") after 1500, which would be much later than would occur with a 'knight' unit. Moreover the hussar was more of a German-Hungarian reaction to the Turkish light cavalry they had to deal with than any Polish creation.
Therefore I propose again a cavalry unit, 7-3-3 or 8-3-3 that would be based on the relatively unique Polish heavy cavalry used during their period (lance, sword, light armor) that was VERY EFFECTIVE against their opponents (Ottoman, Cossack, etc.) The Hussar animation (or one more suited) could stand in til I or someone more talented could put in a finished animation for it.
This would help the problem with having too many knight units and add a unique unit to the cavalry 'stable' which only has 2 now. (and would put the two unique units in direct opposition as well!)
Therefore I propose again a cavalry unit, 7-3-3 or 8-3-3 that would be based on the relatively unique Polish heavy cavalry used during their period (lance, sword, light armor) that was VERY EFFECTIVE against their opponents (Ottoman, Cossack, etc.) The Hussar animation (or one more suited) could stand in til I or someone more talented could put in a finished animation for it.
This would help the problem with having too many knight units and add a unique unit to the cavalry 'stable' which only has 2 now. (and would put the two unique units in direct opposition as well!)
Anti: well done! 
Ok, so it would be a 7-3-3 cavalry that does not recquire saltpeter, correct?
OK, suggestions so far for UU's:
Ethiopia: Javilneer
Aborigine: Bola Wielder
Poland: uh... i need a name...
Tonight I'll type up the bonuses that I think the civs should have. And remember, EVERY country is militaristic and religious, so only use those two when absolutely necessary. Too many extra civs are given one of those way too quick.
Ok, so it would be a 7-3-3 cavalry that does not recquire saltpeter, correct?OK, suggestions so far for UU's:
Ethiopia: Javilneer
Aborigine: Bola Wielder
Poland: uh... i need a name...
Tonight I'll type up the bonuses that I think the civs should have. And remember, EVERY country is militaristic and religious, so only use those two when absolutely necessary. Too many extra civs are given one of those way too quick.
Veera Anlai
Southern Belle
Polynesia doesn't really have many choices for a great leader...
Kamehameha the first would be a good choice, as he united the many separate chiefdoms of Hawaii into one kingdom.
My personal preference is Queen Liliuokalani, the last queen of Hawaii, and I'm already halfway finished with making her animated leaderhead ^_^
Queen Pomare the Fourth was the last monarch of the Marquesas. She had quickly unified the islands when she came into power, but when the French took over the islands in 1842, she became just a figurehead.
Poland... Meh. I'll make Mali and ditch Poland in my game
Kamehameha the first would be a good choice, as he united the many separate chiefdoms of Hawaii into one kingdom.
My personal preference is Queen Liliuokalani, the last queen of Hawaii, and I'm already halfway finished with making her animated leaderhead ^_^
Queen Pomare the Fourth was the last monarch of the Marquesas. She had quickly unified the islands when she came into power, but when the French took over the islands in 1842, she became just a figurehead.
Poland... Meh. I'll make Mali and ditch Poland in my game
Senoj
Prince
I recently got some info from a website about Polish Husaria.
The cavalry was the backbone of the Commonwealth's military power, outnumbering the infantry by three to one. The crossed Turkish and European breeds to produce horses with speed and endurance, and rode on eastern saddles in order to place less strain on the horse. Because of these factors they could cover tremendous distances (upto 120 kilometres a day) without killing their mounts. Their curved sabres were the finest cutting weapon ever in use in a European army and accounted for their endurance in battle.
The pride and glory of the cavalry, its mailed first, was the Husaria, the winged cavalry. Operating in regiments of about 300, the front rank carried an astonishing lance of up to twenty feet in length (thus outreaching infantry pikes and allowing the Husaria to cut straight through an enemy square). They also carried a sabre or rapier with a six - foot blade (another weapon which was unique to the Poles!), as well as a pair of pistols, a short carbine, a bow and arrows and a variety of other weapons, the most lethal of which was the "czekan", a long steel hammer which could go through heads and helmets like butter!
Here is a picture of their armour.
PS: What Leaders/UUs do we need to think of?
The cavalry was the backbone of the Commonwealth's military power, outnumbering the infantry by three to one. The crossed Turkish and European breeds to produce horses with speed and endurance, and rode on eastern saddles in order to place less strain on the horse. Because of these factors they could cover tremendous distances (upto 120 kilometres a day) without killing their mounts. Their curved sabres were the finest cutting weapon ever in use in a European army and accounted for their endurance in battle.
The pride and glory of the cavalry, its mailed first, was the Husaria, the winged cavalry. Operating in regiments of about 300, the front rank carried an astonishing lance of up to twenty feet in length (thus outreaching infantry pikes and allowing the Husaria to cut straight through an enemy square). They also carried a sabre or rapier with a six - foot blade (another weapon which was unique to the Poles!), as well as a pair of pistols, a short carbine, a bow and arrows and a variety of other weapons, the most lethal of which was the "czekan", a long steel hammer which could go through heads and helmets like butter!
Here is a picture of their armour.
PS: What Leaders/UUs do we need to think of?
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History Guy
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Err...how do the Polish get in there when the Dutch do not? The Dutch had a world spanning empire, by far larger than the Poles. If the Poles get in and the Dutch don't it'd be rather silly indeed. The Dutch had colonies everywhere...the Americas, Africa, Australia...how many Polish colonies were there? The Dutch built a far more notable civilization, and despite the Poles having the distinction of the booting the rotten Ottomans out of Vienna, we must remember what civilization is historically the most powerful and most important of the two, and that civilization is the Dutch.
Antiochus VII
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I actually think now that "Hussar" might work as the name for the Polish cavalry. This link is a good reference in terms of a 17th century look
17th Century Polish Hussar
This look worries me only as it would hang around a LONG time. If thats a problem, I think a more 18th-19th century look is possible too with perhaps "Lancer" as the name. Either way the stats hold. I'd still like to add the lance to the hussar animation though.
By the way, they shouldn't require saltpeter, good point Sween. It'd be a nice extra benefit
P.S. Nice summary Senoj!
17th Century Polish Hussar
This look worries me only as it would hang around a LONG time. If thats a problem, I think a more 18th-19th century look is possible too with perhaps "Lancer" as the name. Either way the stats hold. I'd still like to add the lance to the hussar animation though.
By the way, they shouldn't require saltpeter, good point Sween. It'd be a nice extra benefit
P.S. Nice summary Senoj!
History Guy, sorry... that's what the people wanted. Actually, there's already a DutchMod. Just grab the leaderhead from that...
Here's what I think of the bonuses should be:
Inca - Scientific, Industrious. For obvious reasons: they were very innovative, very mathematical, and their buildings are amazing especially in their climate.
Ethiopia - Industrious, Commercial... maybe... i have no idea...
Polynesians - Industrious?, Expansionist
Israel - Scientific, Religious
Poland - Militaristic, Scientific
Tibet - Religious, Militaristic. From what I've heard, they were militaristic. More importantly, they were when their UU was around.
Aborigine - I really don't agree with my own suggestion, but what the hell else are you going to give them? Religious, Expansionist
Here's what I think of the bonuses should be:
Inca - Scientific, Industrious. For obvious reasons: they were very innovative, very mathematical, and their buildings are amazing especially in their climate.
Ethiopia - Industrious, Commercial... maybe... i have no idea...
Polynesians - Industrious?, Expansionist
Israel - Scientific, Religious
Poland - Militaristic, Scientific
Tibet - Religious, Militaristic. From what I've heard, they were militaristic. More importantly, they were when their UU was around.
Aborigine - I really don't agree with my own suggestion, but what the hell else are you going to give them? Religious, Expansionist
History Guy
Number Six
Might I suggest Commercial and Religious for Ethiopia?
OK, I need to get the "Millenium boys" for poser so I can make the Dhali Llama (spelling, please?). The way I spell it it sounds like a Camel and a Llama cross-bred, so I hope it's not right
I'll whip up a quick preview for the Polynesians soon, because I'm caught on the other ones I'm making right now.
Senoj, we need a leader for Israel (probably King David), Polynesia, and Aborigine.
EDIT: History Guy, sounds good to me.
I'll whip up a quick preview for the Polynesians soon, because I'm caught on the other ones I'm making right now.
Senoj, we need a leader for Israel (probably King David), Polynesia, and Aborigine.
EDIT: History Guy, sounds good to me.
JBearIt
Ard Ri
I don't know about Militaristic & Scientific for the Poles, I suggest Religious and Industrious.
Kal-el
Deity
The problem with the Aborigine, is that they are still the only major culture that doesn't use metal tools. They are for all intents and purposes still living in the stone age.
Wyrmshadow
Deity
You have to add Religious. It is next to impossible to separate a Pole from Catholicism.
Kal-el, that's why they're even still questionable. Aborigine were here when the Romans were, but the Aborigine are still here... and they don't fly planes or build factories and use guns. The Romans would if they were still around. So, I'm still a little shakie on that civ. But the leaderhead will be easy so I'm not complaining in that department. So easy, that I'll probably do some of the ones that didn't make the final cut.
Veera says that the Polynesians should be Expansionists for ancient times, and Commercial for more recent times. History Guy says Commercial and Religious for Ethiopia. JBearIt says Religious and Industious for Poland, but that would make too many Religious civs and too little Militaristic civs so I've made them Militaristic and Industrious.
Here's a tally of the bonuses...
Sci: 2
Ind: 2
Rel: 4
Exp: 2
Mil: 2
Com: 2
And here's how it looks so far:
Inca - Scientific, Industrious
Ethiopia - Commercial, Religious
Polynesians - Commerical, Expansionist
Israel - Scientific, Religious
Poland - Militaristic, Industrious
Tibet - Religious, Militaristic
Aborigine - Religious, Expansionist
Veera says that the Polynesians should be Expansionists for ancient times, and Commercial for more recent times. History Guy says Commercial and Religious for Ethiopia. JBearIt says Religious and Industious for Poland, but that would make too many Religious civs and too little Militaristic civs so I've made them Militaristic and Industrious.
Here's a tally of the bonuses...
Sci: 2
Ind: 2
Rel: 4
Exp: 2
Mil: 2
Com: 2
And here's how it looks so far:
Inca - Scientific, Industrious
Ethiopia - Commercial, Religious
Polynesians - Commerical, Expansionist
Israel - Scientific, Religious
Poland - Militaristic, Industrious
Tibet - Religious, Militaristic
Aborigine - Religious, Expansionist
Wyrmshadow, Every civ qualifies for the religious bonus. It's a huge problem in mods that add extra civs. You also have to think about what point in time to think about that civ for the better of the game. Take the French for example... I don't see the French as Industrious at all! But, at a certain point they were... I have no idea when... The Poles were much into their military (especially and importantly when we are placing their golden age and uu). Same with science... and building... get my point?
Fortunately, we're not having the problem of too many militaristic civs (which is what i'd thought we would have) but too many religious. Would Ethopia be able to qualify for something else along with Commercial?
Fortunately, we're not having the problem of too many militaristic civs (which is what i'd thought we would have) but too many religious. Would Ethopia be able to qualify for something else along with Commercial?
Senoj
Prince
Couldn't you, if you wanted put on build never-sceince in the civ editor for the aboriginees? Then they wouldn't research. Or would they?
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