What do you think about Dawkins?

[Masada]

I think his quote is good, since you can 'understand' the world to your satisfaction with far less knowledge than you can without it; there's no question of 'why seven days?' or 'how did God create the world?' Indeed through much of history questions like that were banned.

I highly doubt he bases his entire position on 'stuff' that happened centuries ago, if that were the case then the Irish would be entirely justified to unleash a Cromwell analogue on England.

Well, he's only human. Doesn't always take the best approach in my opinion either. As I said before, he should let the science do the talking, and let people make up their own minds.

Quite.

But I can understand he has gotten a bit bitter given what he must face when he opens his email for instance.

Is that the result of his tone and position, or his position alone? I think you'll find the former is more likely than the latter but that doesn't excuse it merely places it into context.

 

[Yared]

Criticism of religion should remain off-limits. It's a terrible thing to allow. Allowing atheists to criticize religion does nothing but offend religious people.

Dude, I did not "owned" myself. You failed to notice the edit

whatever respect I had for you was lost when you wrote that. I guess you owned yourself in my eyes .

 

[GenMarshall]

whatever respect I had for you was lost when you wrote that. I guess you owned yourself in my eyes .

Again, I did not owned myself .

 

[Yared]

Again, I did not owned myself .

By saying that you think a person should be robbed of his ability to speak freely because what he says offends someone, you've reduced yourself to a 16th century inquisitor. Isn't that self-pwnage ?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We all own ourselves

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Is that the result of his tone and position, or his position alone? I think you'll find the former is more likely than the latter but that doesn't excuse it merely places it into context.

Indeed. Not trying to excuse it, just understanding it

 

[cardgame]

To paraphrase from the video (Cause I'm sure you told yourself, atheist dribble, pff, screw that)

I will make FREE SPEECH my new religion. If you offend FREE SPEECH, you are deeply offending my religion.

 

[GenMarshall]

I will make FREE SPEECH my new religion. If you offend FREE SPEECH, you are deeply offending my religion.

I'm not against free speech. I just feel that there is a better and non-offensive way that atheists can project their message across.

 

[cardgame]

Pray tell, how is there a better way than criticising something that deserves criticism?

 

[GenMarshall]

Pray tell, how is there a better way than criticising something that deserves criticism?

Simple, don't use words in your argument that would offend a religious person.

 

[Yared]

Simple, don't use words in your argument that would offend a religious person.

If only people weren't so hypersensitive .

 

[Winner]

Open debate where boths sides offer evidence/proof of their claims is the instrument of progress and looking for truth. Criticims is unseparable from any open discussion.

It tells a lot that religion wants to insulate itself from criticism and it doesn't want to take part in any open debate in which it would have to offer some hard evidence.

Religion is the mindkiller indeed. I will let it pass over me and through me and when it's gone, I will remain

 

[Flying Pig]

There is a problem (since religion is fundamentally based on faith <read=gullibility >) that the moment you start eating away at it people can't really respond logically, so they get offended.

 

[Winner]

Simple, don't use words in your argument that would offend a religious person.

Translation from faithtalk:

Shut up!

 

[Flying Pig]

Exactly what I was saying

 

[cardgame]

There is a problem (since religion is fundamentally based on faith <read=gullibility >) that the moment you start eating away at it people can't really respond logically, so they get offended.

This. Seriously.

 

[GenMarshall]

Translation from faithtalk:

Shut up!

No, it does not mean to "shut up!"

 

[Masada]

There is a problem (since religion is fundamentally based on faith <read=gullibility >) that the moment you start eating away at it people can't really respond logically, so they get offended.

You read Ask a Theologian presumably, since you comment in it, upon occasion. I would therefore presume that you are aware of a certain debate in that thread, the outcome of which could be condescended down to faith =/ gullibility.

 

[GenMarshall]

Perhaps I should have not even bothered voting in this thread knowing that it would lead to this mess.

 

[Yared]

Perhaps I should have not even bothered voting in this thread knowing that it would lead to this mess.

Did you learn something from it?