What do you think of the Southeast US?

[DroopyTofu]

Am i the only one who thinks that 'trying to hide' one's racism is a step up from 'being honest' about it?

I wasn't trying to imply that one was better than the other. I think we'd be better off without people doing either of those. It's just a different way of being racist. Being racist is a bit more acceptable to some people in the South, so people don't go as far out of thier way to hide it. I don't think that the South has anymore racist people than anyother part of the country, but the culture is more open to people admitting it.

 

[naterator]

I wasn't trying to imply that one was better than the other. I think we'd be better off without people doing either of those. It's just a different way of being racist. Being racist is a bit more acceptable to some people in the South, so people don't go as far out of thier way to hide it. I don't think that the South has anymore racist people than anyother part of the country, but the culture is more open to people admitting it.

I think we're better off with neither as well; but failing that, i will say that it is better to hide it than to flaunt it.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Actual rasist teenagers here have to hide it; it's just so integrated here that if you say something like 'I hate n-----s', the two black people sitting right next to you will look at you funny. It's rare to be in a clique here that doesn't have at least one member of each of the three main races (Black, White, Latina/o).

 

[Formaldehyde]

I wasn't trying to imply that one was better than the other. I think we'd be better off without people doing either of those. It's just a different way of being racist. The only real exception are the KKK / neo-Nazi / skinhead types. Being racist is a bit more acceptable to some people in the South, so people don't go as far out of thier way to hide it. I don't think that the South has anymore racist people than anyother part of the country, but the culture is more open to people admitting it.

Very few people in the South openly admit to racism anymore. Those days are fortunately long gone.

While the problem is definitely better than it was 50 years ago when many whites were openly racist, there is still far more racial tension and inherent problems in the South compared to the North. That public schools are once again becoming segregated because they are no longer forced to be desegregated by the courts is an example, and so are the public statements by many politicians. If they had no public backing, they wouldn't make such bigoted comments on such a frequent basis from fear of not being elected.

 

[Dachs]

I loathe the southeastern United States, with the sole exception of Greater New Orleans, and possibly Miami.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Any of the more populated areas along the coast of Florida are much better than most of the rest of the state, mainly due to the sheer number of transplanted Northerners. Gainesville and Orlando are also exceptions.

But the last time I was in New Orleans back in the 80s, I almost had to battle my way out of a mens' bathroom of a fancy hotel when some of the locals took exception to how Jewish my friend looked. Perhaps things have changed since then.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Any of the more populated areas along the coast of Florida are much better than most of the rest of the state, mainly due to the sheer number of transplanted Northerners. Gainesville and Orlando are also exceptions.

Because Northerners are so much better than Southerners, right?

 

[Dachs]

But the last time I was in New Orleans back in the 80s, I almost had to battle my way out of a mens' bathroom of a fancy hotel when some of the locals took exception to how Jewish my friend looked. Perhaps things have changed since then.

I dunno. But I'm not Jewish.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Because Northerners are so much better than Southerners, right?

Perhaps because most Notherners aren't quite as provincial and bigoted as their Southern coupterparts? You do realize that has been my point all along, right?

I dunno. But I'm not Jewish.

I'm pretty sure that Christian whites aren't going to have much of a problem anyplace in the South, at least if they ignore the bigots.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Because most Notherners aren't quite as provincial and bigoted perhaps?

I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it a bit ironic that you're calling Southerners bigoted, hmm?

 

[Formaldehyde]

And I'm sure that most people also realize that I'm not claiming that all Southerners are bigoted. I have even made that point quite clear in previous posts for those who can't help but create absurd strawmen instead of addressing the obvious issues. Hmm?

 

[Mango Elephant]

And I'm sure that most people also realize that I'm not claiming that all Southerners are bigoted. I have even made that point quite clear in previous posts for those who can't help but create absurd strawmen instead of addressing the obvious issues. Hmm?

No, but you implied that Northerners are better than Southerners. Therefor, that makes you prejudiced. You keep on saying we create strawmen instead of addressing the real issue. What issue are you talking about that we haven't adressed?

 

[Formaldehyde]

Once again, I didn't claim that Northerners are "better" than Southerners. I claimed there are less bigots. I really don't see why you and others are having so much difficulty comprehending a very simple statement.

An no, it doesn't make me "prejudiced". It means I have an opinion which I can even back up with facts.

 

[Mango Elephant]

You implied that the areas of Flordia that have relocated Northerners are better than the areas of the state with Southerners. Perhaps you didn't outright say they're better outright, but you certainly implied it. Now, let me ask you again, what issue are we discussing that we haven't already adressed? That the South has more bigots? Not only do lots of posts in this thread disregard that opinion, they are completely the opposite of it. Now, these facts, would you please share them? I would be very happy if you would.

Also, where have you lived/visited in the South and for how long?

 

[Formaldehyde]

You implied that the areas of Flordia that have relocated Northerners are better than the areas of the state with Southerners. Perhaps you didn't outright say they're better outright, but you certainly implied it. Now, let me ask you again, what issue are we discussing that we haven't already adressed? That the South has more bigots? Not only do lots of posts in this thread disregard that opinion, they are completely the opposite of it. Now, these facts, would you please share them? I would be very happy if you would.

Also, where have you lived/visited in the South and for how long?

"Better" in the sense that these areas typically have less bigots per square mile due at least in some part to the number of transplanted Notherners? Sure. I'll agree with that premise.

"Better" in the sense that Northerners are inherently superior to Southerners as continue to falsely allege is my opinion? No. How many times do I have to say it before you will comprehend that simple fact?

And I have already posted my "facts". I suggest you actually read my posts before trying to disagree with them.

EDIT: I have lived in the South for about 30 years and other parts of the country for about 25 years. How about you?

 

[Mango Elephant]

"Better" in the sense that these areas typically have less bigots per square mile due at least in some part to the number of transplanted Notherners? Sure. I'll agree with that premise.

"Better" in the sense that Northerners are inherently superior to Southerners as continue to falsely allege is my opinion? No. How many times do I have to say it before you will comprehend that simple fact?

And I have already posted my "facts". I suggest you actually read my posts before trying to disagree with them.

Dude, if you say that areas with Yankees are better than areas with Southerners for the specific reason that Yankees live there instead of Southerners, then you're saying Southerners are worse than Yankees. You can deny it all you want, but that's what you said and that's how it will be interpreted every time you say it. As someone already said, posting isolated incidents of rasism in the South proves nothing - just the same that one incident of homophobia in a Mississippi high school does not prove that the South is homophobic; trust me, it's not.

I've lived in Williamsburg, VA for a year, Atlanta, GA for a year, and Raleigh, NC for almost 12 years.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Dude, if you say that areas with Yankees are better than areas with Southerners for the specific reason that Yankees live there instead of Southerners, then you're saying Southerners are worse than Yankees.

Dude, I'm saying that areas with fewer bigots is "better" than areas that have more. Apparently, you disagree.

I've lived in Williamsburg, VA for a year, Atlanta, GA for a year, and Raleigh, NC for almost 12 years.

I guess the whole "I have more experience than you do" argument sorta backfired, huh?

 

[Mango Elephant]

Dude, I'm saying that areas with fewer bigots is "better" than areas that have more. Apparently, you disagree.

Yes, and you're calling Southerners bigots. You're still calling them worse than Yankees. Give actual proof that Southerners are bigots, if you wouldn't mind.

Then that certainly makes you an expert.

Yes, because I claimed to be an expert. I really did.

EDIT: I didn't see you the post after you edited, so

I guess the whole "I have more experience than you do" argument sorta backfired, huh?

Yes, because that was my argument. No, really, it was. For real.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Yes, and you're calling Southerners bigots. You're still calling them worse than Yankees. Give actual proof that Southerners are bigots, if you wouldn't mind.

I've already stated that is not my opinion numerous times. I merely stated that I think there are more bigots in the South than in the North and I even provided facts to show that is quite likely the case. If you still can't comprehend that simple position after being repeatedly corrected, I really see no reason to continue this "discussion".

 

[Mango Elephant]

My lord, if you arn't calling Southerners bigots, then why on earth do say that there are more bigots per square mile in the Southern part of Flordia than the part of Flordia with Yankees? I said it before but I'll say it again, you're not saying it outright, but you are implying it. Give evidence, please.

EDIT: and I know and you're probley not going to respond if you haven't already, but, please, just give proof that there are more bigots in the South. I don't care if you've already posted some in this thread, that evidence wasn't good enough. If there are more bigots in the South, that shouldn't be too hard, should it? And I know you've stated your opinion numerous times, but your various opinions are contradicting. If there are more bigots in the South than in the North, you're calling Southerners bigots. The only reason you would say that there are more bigots in the South is if there were so many more in the first place that it actually makes a significant difference, therefor according to what you have said (most) Southerners are bigots.