What do you think of the Southeast US?

[Lord of Elves]

I've already stated that is not my opinion numerous times. I merely stated that I think there are more bigots in the South than in the North and I even provided facts to show that is quite likely the case. If you still can't comprehend that simple position after being repeatedly corrected, I really see no reason to continue this "discussion".

This argument. It is based on anecdotal evidence and vague references to the superiority of equality in the northern part of the United States.

On a scale of one to ten of being convincing, having sources that are capable of being cited, and generally eloquently presenting said case, I give this argument a....

Three

 

[BuckyRea]

I'm in Texas. Should I get hacked off when people diss the "Southeastern US"? I mean, I know we had as many bigots as all the other ex-Confederate states, but from reading local history it sure seems like ours were a whole lot lazier when it came to acting on our actual bigotry.

 

[GoodGame]

California?

No it's basically anything south of Pennsylvania's Southern border (the one with Maryland ), but the Western edge of that is the Eastern border of Texas. Technically, Texas isn't the South, but much bigger than that. Texas was decidedly pro-Union as a matter of survival (remember the US saved Texas' bacon against Mexico).

My military experience stationed in the SE is that culturally it is much more inter-racial post-Jim Crow and the Civil Rights Movement.

I'd say you're more likely to get invitations to church, food, and hugs from people that you barely know in the South than in the North, but otherwise most of the cultural difference is due to lack of industrialization in some areas of the South.

But note, I've not traveled extensively in the SOuth.

 

[DroopyTofu]

Something that I'm surprised that has not came up in this thread is The South's influence on music. Most music that is popular (in America at least) would not exist without the South's influence. Jazz, RnB, Blues, Rock N Roll, and Southern Rock (Obviously, but I'm listening to Free Bird right now) are all influential on many different genres of music and all have alot of thier history in the South.

 

[Luckymoose]

The South is America. That's pretty much what everyone is saying.

 

[Squarg]

I think that the not so good part of the south has been shrinking from the entire confederacy to just South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas and Louisiana. North Carolina and Virginia ain't that bad in their entirety anymore.

 

[Mad Man]

I think that the not so good part of the south has been shrinking from the entire confederacy to just South Carolina, Georgia, and Louisiana. North Carolina and Virginia ain't that bad in their entirety anymore.

fixed

 

[Shekwan]

Having been to central Florida, and knowing how that is a relatively open and developed part of the region, I have come to the conclusion that it's a largely deplorable part of the world. Kinda like Queensland or County Mayo.

 

[Oerdin]

As a Southern American, I feel we are the only real Americans.

EDIT: And we are the only part of the country that knows how to make sweet tea.

Where as the rest of us consider you the least "real American" and hate that nasty sweet tea. It's no wonder you folks have the highest diabetes and obesity rates in the country.

 

[Ulyaoth]

Sweet tea is good. As is barbecue. But all your arguments are moot. The rest of the country exists to serve NY.

 

[QuoVadisNation]

Awesome people if you play your cards right.

Not awesome people if you can't play your cards right.

 

[Mad Man]

Sweet tea is good. As is barbecue. But all your arguments are moot. The rest of the country exists to serve NY.

New York is where awesomeness goes to die.

 

[Oerdin]

Sweet tea is good.

Only a fatty would crave that much sugar. I literally gagged the first time I had that sugary mess.

 

[Squonk]

Blanche Dubois.

 

[Ulyaoth]

Only a fatty would crave that much sugar.

Or people with taste. I hate sweet things mostly but still have turned to drinking mostly sweet tea in the past year or so.

 

[Mango Elephant]

Only a fatty would crave that much sugar. I literally gagged the first time I had that sugary mess.

Haters gonna hate.

 

[Formaldehyde]

This argument. It is based on anecdotal evidence and vague references to the superiority of equality in the northern part of the United States.

Not at all. It has absolutely nothing to do with the "superiority" of the north versus the south, unless you consider that having less bigots makes that part of the country "superior", as I have repeatedly made clear in my posts.

On a scale of one to ten of being convincing, having sources that are capable of being cited, and generally eloquently presenting said case, I give this argument a....

Three

And in response you provide ... nothing besides trying to perpetuate an obvious strawman. So I'd give that "rebuttal" a ...

Zero.

 

[Lord of Elves]

There is little at all evidence that the modern south has any "bigots", in it than the modern north does. You seem to be operating on the prerogative that the Civil War was a defining struggle for the south to "keep the black man down", and thus evidences the perpetuation of "southern racism", as a cultural and societal movement prevalent and defining towards the south, which is ultimately the same as saying all Italians hate Moroccans because of the rivalry between Rome and Carthage.

You seem to be attempting to push outdated notions of racial superiority of Caucasians over Africans and other "minority groups", on the modern world with anecdotal evidence and long-past wrongs. One could and always can argue that certain groups are being "oppressed", in certain locations, but your anecdotal evidence from various quotes and societal accusations dating back to the 19th century does not an argument make.

To my knowledge, you can neither provide any study that actually makes any attempt to prove that the population of the southern part of the United States is more tending towards racism, nor any study that proves that the northern part is not. Your argument is entirely based on anecdotal whimsy and rather out-of-place regionalism.

 

[Formaldehyde]

There is little at all evidence that the modern south has any "bigots", in it than the modern north does.

Then it shouldn't be difficult at all for you to provide your own proof, instead of merely claiming the same tired defense of clearly bigoted politicians who get elected, and their quite public statements over and over again.


Link to video.

But the South is just like the North in this regard. You just can't seem to find any billboards like this anyplace else.

http://www.faithinamerica.info/grnvpage.php

Town hall meeting creates dialogue in Greenville

Community turns out to discuss religion-based bigotry

Throughout the six-week campaign, Faith In America received comments from both gay and lesbian citizens as well as straight allies that Greenville, S.C., has a reputation of being somewhat unwelcoming to gay and lesbian citizens. That certainly is understandable considering the Greenville County Council in May 1997 adopted a resolution stating that homosexuality is "incompatible" with the community's standards. The resolution has never been rescinded.

Ten years later, gay and lesbian residents of Greenville speak about the fear of coming out to their family and friends, the threat of losing a job, potential recrimination toward gay or lesbian businesspersons from the business community and being ostracized by churches. In addition to the emotional, psychological and spiritual harm, many speak of their concern over the possibility of physical violence as well.

A tragic example of that physical threat was the death of Sean Kennedy this year, who was killed in Greenville after being struck by a man who reportedly called him a ***** before striking him and causing his death. The Faith In America "Call to Courage" campaign in Greenville was dedicated to the memory of Sean Kennedy.

And while many in the community believe the attack against Kennedy was an isolated incident, it is not at all unreasonable to associate such violence with the message of condemnation and rejection that emanates from certain religious factions in Greenville. Every Friday in downtown Greenville - until the last week of Faith In America's campaign - members of one local church gathered to espouse a shrill message of condemnation toward gay and lesbian citizens. Their signs had such slogans as "God Abhors You."

While members of some of Greenville's mainline denomination churches are quick to disassociate themselves with those who stand in the street shouting that gays and lesbians are condemned, they apparently fail to see how gay and lesbian citizens do not differentiate between a shrill message of condemnation and rejection being belted out from a street corner and one that is delivered in a newspaper opinion article or one presented from the Sunday morning pulpit.

I'm sure you can find many examples of street preachers screaming similar hatred of gays in many northern towns. Right?

 

[Ulyaoth]

which is ultimately the same as saying all Italians hate Moroccans because of the rivalry between Rome and Carthage.

umwat?