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Quasar1011 said:
Errr...no wonder so many people don't like those newer versions of the bible. Translation is all jacked up.
what if Christ was learned to be a [definite] agent of an alien civilization?
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Errr...no wonder so many people don't like those newer versions of the bible. Translation is all jacked up.
Heretic_Cata
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I know you said you don't care about our opinions if he was an alien or not ...
OF COURSE he is an alien
(google definition)
Alien = extraterrestrial being: a form of life assumed to exist outside the Earth or its atmosphere.
Of course jesus was/is a form of life that exist/ed OUTSIDE the Earth (on another plane of existence).
Alien civilization - sure, a utopic civilization.
I could start talking about the ppl's reactions, ... and ... and this great analogy explaining why they would ... but i am not in my atheistic mood
- i'll stay out of this one.
OF COURSE he is an alien
(google definition)
Alien = extraterrestrial being: a form of life assumed to exist outside the Earth or its atmosphere.
Of course jesus was/is a form of life that exist/ed OUTSIDE the Earth (on another plane of existence).
Alien civilization - sure, a utopic civilization.
I could start talking about the ppl's reactions, ... and ... and this great analogy explaining why they would ... but i am not in my atheistic mood
- i'll stay out of this one.
I think those of you calling christ an alien are missing the point by a mile:
1)christ wasnt an alien- he was a human being manipulated by alien beings
2)by manipulation, this could cover either him being a knowing agent of this alien race, or an unknowing agen (in other words, he belived that he really was the son of god and all that, and never had a clue about being a pawn for aliens)
3)the goal of this thought excerscize isnt in and of itself to "discredit" christianity, its just it happens to be the most convienient medium through which I can look at what i want to look at, which is a major facet of earth culture turning out to be alien in its origin, and to that extent, part of an effort to manipulate the human species in some form.
4)for the interest of what I'm trying to look at, I've decided to create a scenario where the major facet of culture (christianity- chosen because of the large amount of people in the world familliar with/adhereign to the religion, and for its pan-global presence, not restricting it to any one region of the world) turns out to be false in main aspects 9that is to say jesus was niether the messia.saviour, or a son of god, unless you consider aliens to be god, which in this scenario, they are not)
the question posed is not so much what you think about the scenario (I dont give a damn) but rather if in this situation what you would do, and why you would do it- its a question that you should give some thought to, really, rather then just blurt out an answer.
1)christ wasnt an alien- he was a human being manipulated by alien beings
2)by manipulation, this could cover either him being a knowing agent of this alien race, or an unknowing agen (in other words, he belived that he really was the son of god and all that, and never had a clue about being a pawn for aliens)
3)the goal of this thought excerscize isnt in and of itself to "discredit" christianity, its just it happens to be the most convienient medium through which I can look at what i want to look at, which is a major facet of earth culture turning out to be alien in its origin, and to that extent, part of an effort to manipulate the human species in some form.
4)for the interest of what I'm trying to look at, I've decided to create a scenario where the major facet of culture (christianity- chosen because of the large amount of people in the world familliar with/adhereign to the religion, and for its pan-global presence, not restricting it to any one region of the world) turns out to be false in main aspects 9that is to say jesus was niether the messia.saviour, or a son of god, unless you consider aliens to be god, which in this scenario, they are not)
the question posed is not so much what you think about the scenario (I dont give a damn) but rather if in this situation what you would do, and why you would do it- its a question that you should give some thought to, really, rather then just blurt out an answer.
Hornblower
Cry Havoc!
What? Jesus is an Alien!
Somebody get me a book written by L Ron Hubbard.
That should be enough to get an explanation on why the saviour is an alien.
I could have a good laugh at the same time!
Somebody get me a book written by L Ron Hubbard.
That should be enough to get an explanation on why the saviour is an alien.
I could have a good laugh at the same time!
Now now Perfection, what is "human" is in general what most humans do. The religious outnumber the unbelievers such as yourself, so setting aside here the issue of what is actually right, Christians are more "normal" than atheists.
slip79
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If the above senario came true I would laugh my a$$ off for weeks.
Quasar1011
King of Sylvania
Hornblower said:
By alien, I don't mean Jesus came from another planet. It's more like, He came from another dimension, which could be called Heaven. Jesus said He wasn't from Earth:
John 8:23 NIV
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Later, Jesus told His followers that those who are born again, are no longer of the Earth, but of Heaven.
John 15:19
"If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."
This is why Paul later wrote that Christians are "aliens and strangers upon the Earth.
Jesus mentioned this concept a few more times:
John 17:14
"I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world."
John 17:16
"They are not of the world, even as I am not of it."
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Paul sums it up, by telling us where our true allegiance lies:
Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ...
I can't wait to get my passport stamped!
cgannon64
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Q: What If Everything You Thought Was Wrong?
A: Alot'd change.
A: Alot'd change.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Actually there are more non-Christians than Christians so Christians are not normal (or human).Eran of Arcadia said:
Examples please!cgannon64 said:
No, what I meant was that by the standards of the human race, what is more frequent is more 'normal', ie conforming to the norm or mean. So Christians, being believers, are more like most other humans than atheists. Not that I am saying that there is something unhuman or unearthly about atheists, mind you, just that looking at the human race as a whole, you are very distinct. I know you don't mind.
Erik Mesoy
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Counter, Christianity is the religious group with the largest amount of adherents in the world. Even grouping together agnostics, atheists and humanists comes to 16%.Perfection said:Actually there are more non-Christians than Christians so Christians are not normal (or human).
http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html
So for the moment, Christianity has a plurality.
In answer to the OP, I'd spend a year in research.
cgannon64
BOB DYLAN'S ROCKIN OUT!
No. That is a stock answer; it does not require elaboration.Perfection said:
Perfection
The Great Head.
Yeah, but we're the normal 16%Erik Mesoy said:
Yes it does, we must know more!cgannon64 said:No. That is a stock answer; it does not require elaboration.
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Then maybe I would look towards one on those, but for now, Christianity seems to be working out pretty well for me. So, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So, considering if these hypothetical aliens did construct this effective system of beliefs, I don't see why I should stop abiding by that system, if it is still effective. I probably wouldn't see Jesus as the Son of God anymore(unless, like another poster said, I recieved asurance from God that he was), but that alone doesn't negate his moral teachings. These Aliens abviously had a reason for doing this to help out humanity, so I would take a cue from and older wiser(presumably) species. Remember, the wise accept instruction.Xen said:
Hornblower
Cry Havoc!
Quasar1011 said:By alien, I don't mean Jesus came from another planet. It's more like, He came from another dimension, which could be called Heaven. Jesus said He wasn't from Earth:
John 8:23 NIV
But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world."
Later, Jesus told His followers that those who are born again, are no longer of the Earth, but of Heaven.
John 15:19
"If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."
This is why Paul later wrote that Christians are "aliens and strangers upon the Earth.
Jesus mentioned this concept a few more times:
John 17:14
"I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world."
John 17:16
"They are not of the world, even as I am not of it."
John 18:36
Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place."
Paul sums it up, by telling us where our true allegiance lies:
Philippians 3:20
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ...
I can't wait to get my passport stamped!
I am happy that you feel that these lines quoted in a 2000 year old and much transcribed and translated document equate to proof.
It made for a nice piece of entertainment when I was at elementary school.
As Gag Halfrunt the former Galactic President and renowned psychologist was once heard to say "Vell. He's just zis guy. You know?"
I guess the idea here is, that if it were to be discovered beyond any doubt that Christ was an extra-terrestrial being, would that somehow be a 'let-down' or something. In other words, there is reason to doubt the 'spiritual realm', since it's just another humanoid alien race from elsewhere.
Hmmm. Maybe, but maybe not. Afterall, regardless of this "new finding", I'd still believe in a Great Creator of all things (to include the aliens, naturally).
So no, my spiritual faith would not be shaken whatsoever, in the wake of such findings. That is, since my faith is based within, not based on things around me, in this life.
If I'd been born deaf, dumb and blind, and spent my entire life locked in a closet, with no outside contact of any kind, I'd still seek to ultimately join something greater than myself. For me, faith has always been an instinct. Regardless of what 'alien' influences there may or may not be.
Hmmm. Maybe, but maybe not. Afterall, regardless of this "new finding", I'd still believe in a Great Creator of all things (to include the aliens, naturally).
So no, my spiritual faith would not be shaken whatsoever, in the wake of such findings. That is, since my faith is based within, not based on things around me, in this life.
If I'd been born deaf, dumb and blind, and spent my entire life locked in a closet, with no outside contact of any kind, I'd still seek to ultimately join something greater than myself. For me, faith has always been an instinct. Regardless of what 'alien' influences there may or may not be.
Quasar1011
King of Sylvania
Hornblower said:
Uh huh. Well, what if aliens did land on Earth? How old would you expect their civilization to be? More than 2,000 years old, I bet.
Quasar1011 said:
and I'm saying he is; look, you belifes are fine and dandy, but for the purpose of the thread no one (certinally not me) gives a hoot about them- you have your belifes, and no ones going to change them, ect, ect, ect... and to make that whole line of talking short- I dont care what you belive- go on your uber-jesus rants in some other thread, or at the very least, have the decency to at least try to answer my question.
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