What is a man?

Whatever they want to be (so long as it doesn't involve crime or being a scumbag).
If someone finds gender stereotypes useful in living their own life fine but they have no right to say what is right or wrong for others.

Yes, exactly. For example, I find certain "stereotypes" or archetypes very useful and I live a very "gendered" life. But I would not impose my conception of gender upon others nor would I impose my assessment of gender upon others. Someone can assert their gender to be something I do not believe it to be, but I will respect A) their assertion, and use their self-asserted gender when referring to them; and B) their vast information advantage they have over me, wherein my disagreement might stem from lacking access to information they do (like how their brain works and the wealth of life experiences they have), which if I had access to it, I might then agree with their self-asserted gender (but again, this is still unnecessary).
 
If we wish to have a more academic discussion of gender, there is one aspect that has always somewhat eluded me. That is: there are too many (mathematical) degrees of freedom between allowing genders to be whatever they wish to be, and having genders at all. The solution is of course to let people what they want to be and not worry about it, but I prefer mathematical completeness when possible.

The Obvious
Hopefully we can all agree that imposition of behaviour models based upon elements of an individual that they have little to no control over, is wrong. This can apply to all manner of demographic elements, such as race, gender, ethnicity, etc.; but of course we'll focus on gender. Because something happened in the past over which I had no control, should that change my available options towards how I can choose to live my life in the present? I'm going to sidestep the word "should" for now and avoid having to conceive of and build from scratch the concept of morality; we'll work from intuition. Options that are available to me should not be eliminated through social arrangements simply because of this aspect of my being, over which I had no control.

For example: just because long ago a person might have been born with a female body, that shouldn't prevent them from joining and succeeding in the military. This is in many ways orthogonal to the notion of gender, but of course culturally it plays a huge role into it. You can call this person whatever you want, you can call them a woman (in your own head) even if they call themselves a man. At the end of the day, the genitals they started out with shouldn't define their life options with respect to options that would be available to them if it weren't for our social norms and social arrangements.

If you believe they're a woman because they were born with that female body (with no choice or consent on their part, I might add), fine. They can still use the name "Rick", because that doesn't have anything to do with their genitals. They can still use the pronouns "he/him" because when we're referring to someone, we hopefully aren't talking to or referring to their genitals, we're referring to the person. They can still do literally anything a man could or would (within physical limitations of course, but even then... that's a tangent). You can call this person a woman (hopefully just in your own mind), but that has nothing to do with stopping them from doing all the things men do.

This is already long enough and was supposed to cover the "obvious". I was going to also incorporate an assessment of society, whereby the above holds true assuming we're in a society that values freedom and self-expression. If we're in a more autocratic and repressed society, then the imposition of various and arbitrary roles and norms (such as gender) instead becomes useful to control the population.

Degrees of Freedom
So here's the trouble I run into.

A person who was born into a female body can do whatever they want. That is fundamental. If they want to go around doing all manner of "manly" things, including representing themselves as a man and using a man name and man pronouns, go for it. The limitation on freedoms is where it unreasonably infringes on others'. Otherwise, go nuts, it's a free country.

Next: a man can do whatever he wants. A man need not abide by particular stereotypes. A man can do the opposite of all of those if he wants; he's not tied to any one particular definition of man, or expected behaviour of man. Even in a free country, where a person can do anything, using the self-schema approach, a person can define man to be anything they feel is right, and thus a man can do anything.

At issue is that this creates too many degrees of freedom. If we permit the gender "man" to do anything, then the gender "man" loses distinctiveness. The range of behaviour for a "man" becomes identical to the range of behaviour for a "woman" or for other genders. We could perhaps say "men on average try to do this more", but we're not going to enforce that and we're still going to allow it to morph and evolve over time if it just so happens. Nor are we going to make an assessment of a person's gender by ensuring they fit into some or majority of "on average this gender does this a lot" with the allowance that they don't have to fit all of those. No, they don't have to fit any of them.

The Solution
The solution is to stop crying and just not worry about it lol. Some people will assert a gender they feel most appropriately suits them, and I do believe this will be influenced in large part by society's average conceptions of gender.

But in this sense, I've found it useful for myself personally (which I wouldn't impose upon others except as my own personal opinion as part of a cultural dialogue), to nevertheless face gender with a certain set of archetypes I personally believe in. In that, yes, men are more like X and less like Y. Even though that doesn't need to stop them from doing Y, and they can shun X if they want; for me personally that's what it looks like. I take it even further and try to understand such gender archetypes as emergent from biological and psychological evolution, since those aspects are slightly less arbitrary than random sociological schemas we might have orchestrated. But that's yet a whole other tangent as well.

Hopefully I've adequately highlighted what I mean regards how this conception of degrees of freedom, appropriately applied within a culture of tolerance, creates this somewhat nebulous possibility space for all genders.
 
If we wish to have a more academic discussion of gender, there is one aspect that has always somewhat eluded me. That is: there are too many (mathematical) degrees of freedom between allowing genders to be whatever they wish to be, and having genders at all. The solution is of course to let people what they want to be and not worry about it, but I prefer mathematical completeness when possible.

The Obvious
Hopefully we can all agree that imposition of behaviour models based upon elements of an individual that they have little to no control over, is wrong. This can apply to all manner of demographic elements, such as race, gender, ethnicity, etc.; but of course we'll focus on gender. Because something happened in the past over which I had no control, should that change my available options towards how I can choose to live my life in the present? I'm going to sidestep the word "should" for now and avoid having to conceive of and build from scratch the concept of morality; we'll work from intuition. Options that are available to me should not be eliminated through social arrangements simply because of this aspect of my being, over which I had no control.

For example: just because long ago a person might have been born with a female body, that shouldn't prevent them from joining and succeeding in the military. This is in many ways orthogonal to the notion of gender, but of course culturally it plays a huge role into it. You can call this person whatever you want, you can call them a woman (in your own head) even if they call themselves a man. At the end of the day, the genitals they started out with shouldn't define their life options with respect to options that would be available to them if it weren't for our social norms and social arrangements.

If you believe they're a woman because they were born with that female body (with no choice or consent on their part, I might add), fine. They can still use the name "Rick", because that doesn't have anything to do with their genitals. They can still use the pronouns "he/him" because when we're referring to someone, we hopefully aren't talking to or referring to their genitals, we're referring to the person. They can still do literally anything a man could or would (within physical limitations of course, but even then... that's a tangent). You can call this person a woman (hopefully just in your own mind), but that has nothing to do with stopping them from doing all the things men do.

This is already long enough and was supposed to cover the "obvious". I was going to also incorporate an assessment of society, whereby the above holds true assuming we're in a society that values freedom and self-expression. If we're in a more autocratic and repressed society, then the imposition of various and arbitrary roles and norms (such as gender) instead becomes useful to control the population.

Degrees of Freedom
So here's the trouble I run into.

A person who was born into a female body can do whatever they want. That is fundamental. If they want to go around doing all manner of "manly" things, including representing themselves as a man and using a man name and man pronouns, go for it. The limitation on freedoms is where it unreasonably infringes on others'. Otherwise, go nuts, it's a free country.

Next: a man can do whatever he wants. A man need not abide by particular stereotypes. A man can do the opposite of all of those if he wants; he's not tied to any one particular definition of man, or expected behaviour of man. Even in a free country, where a person can do anything, using the self-schema approach, a person can define man to be anything they feel is right, and thus a man can do anything.

At issue is that this creates too many degrees of freedom. If we permit the gender "man" to do anything, then the gender "man" loses distinctiveness. The range of behaviour for a "man" becomes identical to the range of behaviour for a "woman" or for other genders. We could perhaps say "men on average try to do this more", but we're not going to enforce that and we're still going to allow it to morph and evolve over time if it just so happens. Nor are we going to make an assessment of a person's gender by ensuring they fit into some or majority of "on average this gender does this a lot" with the allowance that they don't have to fit all of those. No, they don't have to fit any of them.

The Solution
The solution is to stop crying and just not worry about it lol. Some people will assert a gender they feel most appropriately suits them, and I do believe this will be influenced in large part by society's average conceptions of gender.

But in this sense, I've found it useful for myself personally (which I wouldn't impose upon others except as my own personal opinion as part of a cultural dialogue), to nevertheless face gender with a certain set of archetypes I personally believe in. In that, yes, men are more like X and less like Y. Even though that doesn't need to stop them from doing Y, and they can shun X if they want; for me personally that's what it looks like. I take it even further and try to understand such gender archetypes as emergent from biological and psychological evolution, since those aspects are slightly less arbitrary than random sociological schemas we might have orchestrated. But that's yet a whole other tangent as well.

Hopefully I've adequately highlighted what I mean regards how this conception of degrees of freedom, appropriately applied within a culture of tolerance, creates this somewhat nebulous possibility space for all genders.

I don't personally know anyone who is actually agender; the vast majority are binary gendered with a handful (including one of my grandchildren) being nonbinary of some flavor. And speaking purely for myself, I'm fond of some gender norms, as abiding by them helps me affirm my own gender (having mammaries and wearing a bra, for two examples). I do wonder sometimes whether I'm opposing agender folks, as by embracing those gender norms, while I'm not insisting everyone else abide by them, I am contributing to an environment where agender (and possibly some nonbinary) folks find it difficult to avoid them. And while I would never tell anyone what they can or cannot wear, people who identify as males wearing dresses vaguely disappointing, I think because it feels like it's eroding the affirmation I feel when wearing them.
 
I don't personally know anyone who is actually agender; the vast majority are binary gendered with a handful (including one of my grandchildren) being nonbinary of some flavor. And speaking purely for myself, I'm fond of some gender norms, as abiding by them helps me affirm my own gender (having mammaries and wearing a bra, for two examples). I do wonder sometimes whether I'm opposing agender folks, as by embracing those gender norms, while I'm not insisting everyone else abide by them, I am contributing to an environment where agender (and possibly some nonbinary) folks find it difficult to avoid them. And while I would never tell anyone what they can or cannot wear, people who identify as males wearing dresses vaguely disappointing, I think because it feels like it's eroding the affirmation I feel when wearing them.

I might actually consider gender dysphoria to have certain facets and subcategories to it. For example, two main subcategories I might consider as "body dysphoria" vs. "social dysphoria". I believe that in transgender individuals these two categories are most often linked and intertwined too closely to distinguish. But I would consider "body dysphoria" to represent the discomfort one feels towards having the wrong body, whereas "social dysphoria" I would categorize as the discomfort one feels towards others conceiving of their character and person in the wrong ways.

The former will require rectifying and can lead to various body modifications (temporary or permanent) to better match the person's "soul" for a lack of a better word. No amount of societal remodification will correct for this, because it's chiefly rooted in one's body. If the gender roles were completely flipped, then such an individual would still be more appropriately within the alternate body as the case may be. I believe this may be a big contributor towards why we have tomboy females and femboy males.

The latter, however, represents people characterizing you properly. If people view you as a non-binary Himalayan sherpa who is once divorced, that would feel very wrong and very uncomfortable if in fact you are a male American officer who has not yet married. To that extent, presenting and representing yourself as a particular gender should serve as a beacon of understanding towards the correct conception of your being. This social dysphoria might be addressed by society's gender roles changing in such a way that people's default assumptions of your gender coincidentally match your character exactly.

I'd even say the two (and more) are intertwined in complex ways that I don't have the space here to dive into further. So to that end, I'd say embracing gender norms is not necessarily problematic. One of the main challenges is in everyone understanding the distinction. Even something as simple as: a femboy in a dress is drastically different than a transgender female. If people understand that, then I think the issue of "males wearing dresses" might decrease in severity substantially.
 
Doing no harm to others (which ofc includes words, animals etc) always makes the most important trait for anyone.
I agree w the hippocratic oath as a general guideline for all (especially those in positions of power).

But harm is hard to quantify and often doing good also requires harm (the civil war of the US for instance).

And the emotional 'harm' of calling a friend (or oneself even) out on lame behavior.

What is 'harm' could be another interesting subject maybe w a focus on libel law.

But I would not impose my conception of gender upon others nor would I impose my assessment of gender upon others

We all do this subconsciously tho, no?

I aim to be as impartial as possible towards treating people w basic respect but I don't think I'm capable of treating men, women, young, old, etc totally divorced from their apparent characteristics.

One more question while here : are gender roles adaptive in the modern world?
 
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We all do this subconsciously tho, no?

I aim to be as impartial as possible towards treating people w basic respect but I don't think I'm capable of treating men, women, young, old, etc totally divorced from their apparent characteristics.

One more question while here : are gender roles adaptive in the modern world?

We do all manner of things subconsciously. That doesn't make them right. We think of objects and particles in classical ways, whereas reality on the quantum level behaves in a wave-like manner instead.

You touch on an interesting point that really ties into my most recent post above. Since transgender individuals will know that others conceive of them with respect to apparent characteristics, I believe "social dysphoria" can translate into functional "body dysphoria" to some extent. Because if physical characteristics won't match, then everyone around them will make certain implicit assumptions, which a transgender person knows is wrong, and wants people to make the right assumptions.

To your last question, I think gender roles should be adaptive if we permit an open and tolerant society. Even mathematical sociology might benefit from this, because if there are two "main" conceptions of gender (as there were, say, 100 years ago), and these evolve such that one category has some elements previously assigned to males and some to females, and the inverse for the other... it might make more sense to have two "main" conceptions of gender as evolved into these two new conceptions, rather than having inadequate nomenclature (I'm 30% male and 70% female, just like roughly half the population --- that doesn't make intuitive sense; just call that roughly half the population some "X", and have everyone identify themselves as "X").

(realistically, the "two" number is arbitrary and is bound to increase as people cease being sociologically repressed within this dimension)
 
I agree w the hypocritical oath as a general guideline for all (especially those in positions of power).
Is this intentional sarcasm? I can never tell.
('Hippocratic', in case it isn't)
 
When God created humans on the 6th day, he then took a break. Later, in the next section of Genesis, he created the First Man, and from him, the First Woman. Their children would spread out and conquer existing cities of humans.
 
When God created humans on the 6th day, he then took a break. Later, in the next section of Genesis, he created the First Man, and from him, the First Woman. Their children would spread out and conquer existing cities of humans.

Got cite for that last sentence?
 
Got cite for that last sentence?
Here!

 
Got cite for that last sentence?
Well, I just read the first pages of NIV in order, in the only charitable and literal way to make sense.
 
I view man as a male adult human.
In this sense, sissy, cross-dressers or even trans are men.

Masculinity is a tendency of most men.
It is not a requirement in order to be a man.

It may be evolutionarily profitable to be masculine if you are a men - because then you may be able to support your woman and kids better by hunting and setting up camps.
But it is not a requirement.

The words man and woman are like lion and lioness to me.
No behavioural or psychological requirements tell the difference between the two.
Those are just common tendencies.
 
The premise of the question imposes a binary with clear differentiation between the two. Answering what a man should be inherently says what a woman shouldn't be. If a woman can and should also be those things, then that answer isn't what a man should be, but instead what a human should be. To answer the question earnestly requires exclusivity.

According to this logic, the question "what is a human" should not include answers about a need to eat, raise families and form friendships, because these also apply to apes and some birds.

The question "what is a man" is a general one, and differs from the question "how is a man different from a woman".
Although I won't disagree that some answers here did see it in the way that you protest against.
 
For primitive people in the mist of prehistory, finding a cave and settling there came without examining if it is close or not to the theoretical ideal of a cave.
Happens today too, with all kinds of "settling".

Beyond a point, you can't communicate even what you do know, and then there's what you simply do not.
 
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