Perfection
The Great Head.
How's that? Gettier doesn't say that insane ramblings count as justifications.
What is knowledge?
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warpus
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Right, and you are 100% sure of this?
gallego said:
I assume that you're spouting gibbrish.
Mise
isle of lucy
Well I edited that bit out
But if one can't believe one's senses in general, then how can anything be justified...
Fifty
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Again, me being a jerk. Ever since that null question thing in the PM to tyke I can't prevent myself from thinking you're one of those taken-some-math-and-comp-sci-and-thus-think-im-super-logical-and-emotionless people.
True dat
False dat, unless you added a lot more to the scenario regarding the truth of the telepathic experience, the justification for the belief that the testimonial knowledge given to you via the aliens was itself justified, etc.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Emotions are for the weak.
ParadigmShifter
Random Nonsense Generator
2+2 = 0 in the ring of integers modulo 4.
EDIT: And for an encore, 2+2 = 2 in the trivial ring with only one element (let's call it 2).
Well, they are based on definitions of residue class rings (from the modulo arithmetic example, x+y = (x+y) mod z in ring of integers modulo z) and the definition of a trivial ring (i.e. one element ring {x} and x+x = x and x*x = x).
Unless you want to provide a counter-example
That's different to proving 2+2 = 4 in "normal" arithmetic though. I think Bertrand Russell did that but I'm not completely sure about this, Godel messed with his mind at around that time. The proof would still be based on axioms which can't be proven though.
EDIT: And for an encore, 2+2 = 2 in the trivial ring with only one element (let's call it 2).
Right, and you are 100% sure of this?
Well, they are based on definitions of residue class rings (from the modulo arithmetic example, x+y = (x+y) mod z in ring of integers modulo z) and the definition of a trivial ring (i.e. one element ring {x} and x+x = x and x*x = x).
Unless you want to provide a counter-example
That's different to proving 2+2 = 4 in "normal" arithmetic though. I think Bertrand Russell did that but I'm not completely sure about this, Godel messed with his mind at around that time. The proof would still be based on axioms which can't be proven though.
Gogf
Indescribable
My philosophical experience is mostly limited to conversations on here and in chat with Fifty, so I'm probably wading a bit over my head here, but...
Mise's example: doesn't the fact that the belief is not true mean that it does not qualify as a justified true belief?
I also don't really see how JTB can be a coherent system, even without considering Gettier counterexamples. As far as I can tell, the justification itself must be justified, which means that every "justified true belief" must be based on some other knowledge. Of course, by definition, that knowledge must also be a justified true belief. It follows, then, that there must be a starting point somewhere. Since all knowledge must be justified in some way, how can there possibly be a starting point?
I suspect that there is some sort of flaw in my logic here, though.
Mise's example: doesn't the fact that the belief is not true mean that it does not qualify as a justified true belief?
I also don't really see how JTB can be a coherent system, even without considering Gettier counterexamples. As far as I can tell, the justification itself must be justified, which means that every "justified true belief" must be based on some other knowledge. Of course, by definition, that knowledge must also be a justified true belief. It follows, then, that there must be a starting point somewhere. Since all knowledge must be justified in some way, how can there possibly be a starting point?
I suspect that there is some sort of flaw in my logic here, though.
Well, he was the most interesting hit when I googled "Everything is Nothing". I had never heard of him before that, but he doesn't as interesting as some of the other Inidan gurus from the 60s and 70s.Birdjaguar said:
What other conclusion can you draw?Birdjaguar said:
Perfection
The Great Head.
That we are a race of awesome dudes that do awesome things for awesome reasons.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Really, I don't see how atheism leads to your statement. Atheists don't turn a blind eye to art, love, knowledge, morality and all that poop.
You're saying that atheism leads to that when really atheism leads to rather little about our self-conception. That's more for other philosophuckal things.
You're saying that atheism leads to that when really atheism leads to rather little about our self-conception. That's more for other philosophuckal things.
An atheistic belief in science must have purposelessness and chance as a foundation for the universe. Life's beginning were just a chance happening that is driven by an evolutionary interest in perpetuation of DNA. Your personal interest in art, music, love, knowledge, and morality are just how your body passes the time while its genes seek to propagate. Those bodily interests which facilitate reproduction get passed on. All the rest are, well, superfluous. Individual people have no value or purpose beyond their impact on genetic reproduction even though we try to create value and purpose to make us feel better and more useful.
Perfection
The Great Head.
OK YOU'VE NAILED ME THERE BIRDJAG! I OBVIOUSLY KNOW JACK SQUAT ABOUT MY OWN VIEWS! TEACH ME HOW TO BE AN ATHEIST OH GREAT AND WISE MASTER!
Fifty
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lol, birdjag's argument is hilarious. Seriously, I'd get a D- at best on a freshman phil. of religion paper if I did something so transparently bad. Can we please get back to the theory of knowledge and leave the non-thinkers to their non-thinking? go make a birthday rhyme or something bj, you sux at this stuff.
Whatever Perf....enjoy the rest of your evening.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well seriously Birdy, don't try to say that something must be the conclusion of atheism when you full well know that atheists don't agree with that.
Fifty
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how can he possibly have a nice evening when he's nothing but a pointless meaningless hunk of meat? we've thought about what you've said birdjag, and you're right. we're gonna go around town impregnating hookers and then kill ourselves, ending this meaningless charade you call life. god if only i had a lebanese poem to give me meaning in life. alas, it is too late for that. now I shall just slip away into the void...
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