I think this thing deserves its own thread... the reverberations will be around longer than the election itself and considering the rhetoric around the event it looks like escalation is likely... and considering the average American's historical and political knowledge it is bound to head to some bad places...
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Reagan was shot by apolitical mentally ill man, Lincoln was shot by a far right winger and Republicans were the left wing in his time, and we know so little about Trump's assailant that I will not comment yet.
Trump has, is continuing, and will likely continue to advocate for massive levels of political violence... It was not lost on my twelve-year-old son that at the moment of the shot he was advocating for mass deportation including a mass round up of any undocumented people in the US... We reap what we sow....
I'm not big on presidents, it's our economic and government systems that are rotten to the core and no one person being unalived is going to change the real problem...
I'm sorry, I was under the impression you were able to reason along economic lines. Scarcity kind of justifications. You rely on them a lot. And now you're saying for something that's most definitely a problem upstream, whether it be funding, allocation of some other sort, or whatever, that "the word scapegoat has no meaning"?The brainslug got his head clipped by a rifle shot live on television. If the head of security is a scapegoat, the term has no meaning.
And I wasn't a good rifleman.
Where were you on Jan 6 when Trump had his minions attempt a coup?The left is far more antidemocratic, violent and downright fascist than Trump could ever be.
I'm not surprised by the amount of people in this forum advocating murder of supreme court judges and presidential candidates The left is far more antidemocratic, violent and downright fascist than Trump could ever be.
No they're not.I'm not surprised by the amount of people in this forum advocating murder of supreme court judges and presidential candidates The left is far more antidemocratic, violent and downright fascist than Trump could ever be.
I agree, often enough, with scarcity arguments. I will argue more for the near impossibility of protecting a fat man at a county fair. But, it's the Secret Service, is the argument you're actually making that the whole thing was underfunded to such an extent that it caused this, thus shifting blame away from the Secret Service and its master? I mean,I'm sorry, I was under the impression you were able to reason along economic lines. Scarcity kind of justifications. You rely on them a lot. And now you're saying for something that's most definitely a problem upstream, whether it be funding, allocation of some other sort, or whatever, that "the word scapegoat has no meaning"?
This is, of course, assuming that such an individual warrants around the clock Secret Service detail, which Google reliably tells me has only been a thing since 2012.
Alrighty. Best not to ask questions then. Don't think about it too much.
Oh, I don't blame any one party, I wouldn't know enough to comment. But I understand staffing and training pretty well, and how they tend to evaporate at the first sign of cost.But, it's the Secret Service, is the argument you're actually making that the whole thing was underfunded to such an extent that it caused this, thus shifting blame away from the Secret Service and its master? I mean,the DeviRepublicans, rite?
What is it when people are encourging more useless shots than me to stand up and get annihilated?Hey fellas is it fascist to think fascism should be resisted by force
This is the entire basis of the right's schtick against Antifa.Hey fellas is it fascist to think fascism should be resisted by force
Presumably the Republican Party would've gone with its hat in its hands to Ron Desantis and asked him to run again. But I'm not sure. I'm trying to think of an instance in the US where a party frontrunner and/or nominee was killed before an election and I don't remember. George Wallace was wounded in the Democratic primaries in 1972, dropped out of course, but became a governor later.What would have happened if the assassin was successful?
I mean, I get that it'd be hard to predict, but politically speaking would it have helped the Republicans or hurt them? Who's next in line after Trump? Would Biden have stepped down the same way? What might have played out differently?
And they are right. Radical leftists are no better than any other extremist radicals. They are all just extremists looking for a cause to give them an excuse to live out their power fantasy of beating everyone else into submission.This is the entire basis of the right's schtick against Antifa.
You should note that Crooks took his shot after it became apparent that Biden was likely to lose to Trump, and just a few hours before Trump named a successor and after Crooks failed it took the Democrats two shakes to dump Biden.What would have happened if the assassin was successful?
I mean, I get that it'd be hard to predict, but politically speaking would it have helped the Republicans or hurt them? Who's next in line after Trump? Would Biden have stepped down the same way? What might have played out differently?
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