What is that violet-white civ on the mini map down there?

[Drucifer]

I know its a long shot with the inclusion of Germany, Austria and now Poland but what about Prussia as the European civ. Their capital of Konigsburg is still in as is Danzig and Brandenberg their two biggest cites. UU could be teutonic knight, could easily be tied to reformation as that's the area where the protestant reformation took place.

 

[sukritact]

a few possible explanations:

1) the exception that proves the rule
2) they are including most important italian cities but not all so that there are still City states representing the area
3) this theory was not particularly well thought out

choose your favourite

Why would you have a civ representing the Italian city-states without putting in the Italian city states?

 

[SnowKomodo]

I know its a long shot with the inclusion of Germany, Austria and now Poland but what about Prussia as the European civ. Their capital of Konigsburg is still in as is Danzig and Brandenberg their two biggest cites. UU could be teutonic knight, could easily be tied to reformation as that's the area where the protestant reformation took place.

That would be highly unusual given Bismarck's Prussian reign

 

[alter_echoe]

While I am strongly against the inclusion of Venice as a Civ, I too think that it's inclusion is very likely by now, just not exactly for the reasons people are talking about. I posted earlier noticing the spacing between the main purple city and the other two, how (the other two) seem to have been aquired not settled, how it is on the coast with massive borders and how there's an Incan city right beneath it at around the Industrial era. I also agree that the colors of the purple and the cream in the minimap are remarkably similar to those of the purple and cream found on the wikipedia flag. It's also well established how lazy Firaxis can be when looking for source material for their icons and stuff, so is not beyond them to have indeed used the wiki flag as sample color for the game.

But this whole "Venice is confirmed" craze REALLY started when someone "showed proof" of how the color on the minimap and the flag are exactly the same, down to the HTML code, and how this is (and I agree it would be) impossible to be a coincidence, especially when it's happening with two separate colors at the same time (purple/cream).

The thing is, they are not the same colors, and this is the single point of my post. First of all, areas don't have colors, pixels have colors. I don't know wich method was used to aquire the samples but I took the time to take multiple samples from multiple pixels, both of the purple areas and the cream areas of both the minimap and the flag images. I'll be posting the results and you be the judge. (I hope I can manage the image attachements or all of these becames mute. But believe me, I have the results, and theres A LOT of different HTML codes there.) I used a simple app that captures the color of screen pixels and while that's amateur, the whole basis of the curret hypotesis (it's not a theory if it's not proven) is that Firaxis would have done the same, that is capturing the colors of the Wikipedia flag with some king of colorpicker themselves, so it's valid. On the first image I highlited the areas of the app UI that shows the color code (right on top), a square sample showing the color itself (right beneath) and a little red square that shows precisely wich pixel is being sampled (on the bottom)

 

[alter_echoe]

More images. As you can see, I was able to capture 12 different color samples from those areas and the claim is that it should have been only 2, the same single purple and cream in both images. That is not true, despite the visual similarity. Now, Menzies or whoever that was (sorry if it wasn't you Menzies) having himself picked the same color code from both images, THAT is an astounding coincidence.

 

[sukritact]

While I am strongly against the inclusion of Venice as a Civ, I too think the it's inclusion is very likely by now, just not exactly for the reasons people are talking about. I posted earlier noticing the spacing between the main purple city and the other two, how (the other two) seem to have been aquired not settled, how it is on the coast with massive borders and how there's an Incan city right beneath it at around the Industrial era. I also agree that the colors of the purple and the cream in the minimap are remarkably similar to those of the purple and cream found on the wikipedia flag. It's also well established how lazy Firaxis can be when looking for source material for their icons and stuff, so is not beyond them to have indeed used the wiki flag as sample color for the game.

But this whole "Venice is confirmed" craze REALLY started when someone "showed proof" of how the color on the minimap and the flag are exactly the same, down to the HTML code, and how this is (and I agree it would be) impossible to be a coincidence, especially when it's happening with two separate colors at the same time (purple/cream).

The thing is, they are not the same colors, and this is the single point of my post. First of all, areas don't have colors, pixels have colors. I don't know wich method was used to aquire the samples but I took the time to take multiple samples from multiple pixels, both of the purple areas and the cream areas of both the minimap and the flag images. I'll be posting the results and you be the judge. (I hope I can manage the image attachements or all of these becames mute. But believe me, I have the results, and theres A LOT of different HTML codes there.) I used a simple app that captures the color of screen pixels and while that's amateur, the whole basis of the curret hypotesis (it's not a theory if it's not proven) is that Firaxis would have done the same, that is capturing the colors of the Wikipedia flag with some king of colorpicker themselves, so it's valid. On the first image I highlited the areas of the app UI that shows the color code (right on top), a square sample showing the color itself (right beneath) and a little red square that shows precisely wich pixel is being sampled (on the bottom)

Areas DO have color, a single solid color in fact, but when the image is saved with a lossy file compression you get artifacts messing up the colors.

For others to note: it's impossible to say with 100% certainty that they're using the exact same colors based off a compressed image, regardless, the fact that both colors are so similar that they blend when not looked at carefully is VERY significant. People may just think "purple" but the fact is there are probably dozens of distinct variations playing with darkness, hue and saturation. Now, not only does the civ have the same colors, beige on purple, but both colors have the identical (with small margin of error) combination of hue, saturation and brightness.

*On a side note, I suggest you change that last image. That torrent notification may not be entirely appropriate.

 

[alter_echoe]

Now the flag, so you guy can campare the codes. But the fact they are not consistent in the the minimap area alone is proof enough.

 

[nunor]

On a side note, I suggest you change that last image. That torrent notification may not be entirely appropriate.

HAHAHA

 

[Dragonflow]

*On a side note, I suggest you change that last image. That torrent notification may not be entirely appropriate.

Someone has got they eyes of an eagle it seems.

 

[alter_echoe]

Areas DO have color, a single solid color in fact, but when the image is saved with a lossy file compression you get artifacts messing up the colors.

For others to note: it's impossible to say with 100% certainty that they're using the exact same colors based off a compressed image, regardless, the fact that both colors are so similar that they blend when not looked at carefully is VERY significant. People may just think "purple" but the fact is there are probably dozens of distinct variations playing with darkness, hue and saturation. Now, not only does the civ have the same colors, beige on purple, but both colors have the identical (with small margin of error) combination of hue, saturation and brightness.

*On a side note, I suggest you change that last image. That torrent notification may not be entirely appropriate.

But that's the thing Sukritact, you guys are making a point that Firaxis themselves would have picked a sample purple and a sample cream from an image that is displayed on the internet, with all the artifacts and compression effects that you mention, and if that's true, they would have several different tiny different variations of those tones to pick from to begin with, so there is no ONE purple to pick from the wiki flag. I made very clear that I both see the similarity in colors and think Venice is in, so no point in arguing with me. I just wanted to prove (and I did) that there are several different values in those images.

As for the torrent notification, I like me my MILFs, what can I do? If the MODs see fit, they can delete it.

 

[Merciorum]

OK, you are putting way too much effort into this, alter_echoe. It's fun to speculate, but it really doesn't matter that much and we'll know in a few weeks anyway.

 

[sukritact]

But that's the thing Sukritact, you guys are making a point that Firaxis themselves would have picked a sample purple and a sample cream from an image that is displayed on the internet, with all the artifacts and compression effects that you mention, and if that's true, they would have several different tiny different variations of those tones to pick from to begin with, so there is no ONE purple to pick from the wiki flag. I made very clear that I both see the similarity in colors and think Venice is in, so no point in arguing with me. I just wanted to prove (and I did) that there are several different values in those images.

Depends; the full size image has a single color I believe. I will personally champion that they are identical with a margin of error to account for compression.

As for the torrent notification, I like me my MILFs, what can I do? If the MODs see fit, they can delete it.

You can replace that last image, if you'd like. You probably should remove it regardless, this is supposed to be a family friendly forum. Personally, I'd remove it straight away.

 

[alter_echoe]

Areas DO have color, a single solid color in fact, but when the image is saved with a lossy file compression you get artifacts messing up the colors.

As for that, it doesn't have so much to do with the loss of compressing as it is intrinsical to the displaying process. Areas only have color in a mathematical sense, inside the software. When images are actually displayed on a screen or printed, the colors are always somewhat of an illusion. I doesn't matter if you're talking about vector images because I'm talking about the actual screen pixels, not the image pixels.

 

[VermelhoRed]

Like this?

I don't know, I would have still thought that was a reasonable combination. I know it's similar to France, but there are plenty of Civs who have similar colour combinations and as long as they weren't the exact same shade of blue they should stand out.

This looks great, and I still think this is Venice's icon. The purple civ is someone else.

 

[ImperialChaos]

Yeah, I give the purple theory credit, but why wouldn't Fireaxis give Venice the more obvious colors? They aren't taken yet.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Yeah, I give the purple theory credit, but why wouldn't Fireaxis give Venice the more obvious colors? They aren't taken yet.

There's too many red/yellow and a good number of blue/yellow civs. They avoided giving China its most logical colors, and Venice may be getting the same treatment here.

 

[VermelhoRed]

So, if you guys are open to, at least, the possibilty of Venice having non-purple colors, which Native American civ could possibly have a tomahawk unit and be purple-with-white?

 

[ImperialChaos]

There's too many red/yellow and a good number of blue/yellow civs. They avoided giving China its most logical colors, and Venice may be getting the same treatment here.

Yeah I know, but it's just so perfect. I still wouldn't doubt Fireaxis giving it purple.

So, if you guys are open to, at least, the possibilty of Venice having non-purple colors, which Native American civ could possibly have a tomahawk unit and be purple-with-white?

None. Shawnee would get red and black:

Iroquois has purple and white in their flag but are already in the game. No idea what the Sioux would get.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Yeah I know, but it's just so perfect. I still wouldn't doubt Fireaxis giving it purple.

Yellow/Red would've been perfect for China as well - actually in my opinion it would've been the only color scheme that made sense. Sometimes the devs make weird decisions, who knows.

 

[poom3619]

More images. As you can see, I was able to capture 12 different color samples from those areas and the claim is that it should have been only 2, the same single purple and cream in both images. That is not true, despite the visual similarity. Now, Menzies or whoever that was (sorry if it wasn't you Menzies) having himself picked the same color code from both images, THAT is an astounding coincidence.

You just prove that compressed picture have miniscule different value between pixel. Hooray!

Oh wait, You aren't. Oh, so you want someone to disprove your argument? Well. Here I am,

Picture above is all shade you mentioned. The first row is all purple you took from the screenshot, and 2 purple in the second row is color of purple you claimed to took from the flag which, strangely, neither of them is exact match of my 6622A2 purple I took. But it's notable that you happen to took 6722A1 purple (third from left) which have 1 more point in red and 1 less point in green. I hope someone could verify that your purple is all one can find in the screenshot, although the color might degraded due to compression.

4 tone of cream is what you took from screenshot. 2 last one is the cream you claimed that you took from the flag. Apparently, it's have significant difference. BUT, I took the 2 color myself, showed in smaller row under screenshot's cream, and the first screenshot's cream is EXACTLY the same color I fill in left square which I took that in the circle's border while the right one is from the rest of cream in flag's "tail"

You have right to believe what you found anyway, but I guess your argument is now half-wrong with exactly matched cream.

P.S. My flag is 1000px version of the Republic of Venice flag in Wikipedia.