BvBPL
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My casing is all natural. I have it on good authority that I am legitimately delicious.
What is your aim?
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Terxpahseyton
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The point is, that to be illegitimate is not a necessary description of legitimacy. That it is entirely sufficient to characterize with varying degrees of legitimacy. For instance, to go to a place to eat where you can not get something to eat may just as well be described as having no legitimacy. That means you just assigned a level of legitimacy - just that this level turned out to be zero. You can call this illegitimate, but you can in the end call illegitimate whatever you want to call so. For instance, you could also call something illegitimate even though it has a legitimacy level of 2 out of 10. Hence me saying that it is merely a rhetorical tool, a tool to emphasize. Just like to divide temperatures in hot and cold rather than only in varying degrees of hotness is merely a rhetorical tool. Saying, when I say that we are going to judge how hot a pot of water is, I am not saying that we won't judge how cold (or illegitimate) it is. Because we inevitably will do so - as it is essentially about the same thing, just with a different rhetorical emphasize.
So when I say that rationality can only legitimize feelings, not cause them, I am also saying that rationality can assign a legitimacy of zero. But I admit that the verb to legitimize implies a positive/sufficient level of legitimacy, so I could have used better wording.
@ SiLL I like your style and I am curious: have you studied philosophy or what?
eduhum
Aahh the gold old days...
My aim is to become president of Spain. Seriously. I'm not even in college and I'm already entering in the world of politics 
Terxpahseyton
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Wow thanks, appreciated. But no, never have studied philosophy as such utter than as a minor part of other fields of study, but I have been interested in philosophical questions since my early youth and the fields I study have all somehow the human condition at their focus (economics, law, politics, sociology) and I think to handle aspects of the human condition in a proper way, some philosophical thought is inevitable or at least beneficial. Because as I see it, philosophy is in the end just the study of the human point of view, as numbers and observations can only deliver so much.
But no, never have studied philosophy as such utter than as a minor part of other fields of study, but I have been interested in philosophical questions since my early youth and the fields I study have all somehow the human condition at their focus (economics, law, politics, sociology) and I think to handle aspects of the human condition in a proper way, some philosophical thought is inevitable or at least beneficial. Because as I see it, philosophy is in the end just the study of the human point of view, as numbers and observations can only deliver so much.
Oruc
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Nope!
Terxpahseyton
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Like Valka? 
(just joking, I love it that OT has a young sane cat lady)
(just joking, I love it that OT has a young sane cat lady)
NickyJ
Retired Narrator
From the way I understood it, she's a bit past "young". (NOT old! I repeat, NOT old! But not young either. "Veteran" is the way I like to put it. )
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Quackers
The Frog
From the way I understood it, she's a bit past "young". (NOT old! I repeat, NOT old! But not young either. "Veteran" is the way I like to put it.
Middle aged is what your looking for
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Jewel Runner
Nah, she's old.
Like Valka?
(just joking, I love it that OT has a young sane cat lady)
From the way I understood it, she's a bit past "young". (NOT old! I repeat, NOT old! But not young either. "Veteran" is the way I like to put it.
Middle aged is what your looking for
Chronologically middle-aged, but spiritually young at heart.
And guys, you don't know what "old" is until you've lived with your grandparents! One of my aims is to never allow my imagination to stagnate, the way so many of my age-peers have. Even the younger generation seems to be lacking a bit in this department. Some 25+ years ago, I was waiting for a bus downtown, reading the book "Dicing With Dragons." A girl of about 10-12 years old looked at the title and then gave me one of the dirtiest looks I've ever seen from a kid that age. "There's no such thing as dragons!" she informed me.
"Yes, there is," I told her. "In your imagination."
She looked at me as though she thought I was nuts. At such a tender age, she had lost the capacity to imagine, and I think that's one of the saddest things about kids in the generations following mine. So many of them are used to being entertained by other people or by things, they have no idea how to do it from scratch.
NedimNapoleon
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To become Supreme leader and beloved Oppressor of Bosnia, The Central Brain, Leader of the Peoples Committee, Dear Leader, Respected Leader, Wise Leader, Brilliant Leader, Unique Leader, Dear Leader, who is a perfect incarnation of the appearance that a leader should have, Commander-in-Chief, Father of the People, Sun of the Communist Future, Guiding Sun Ray, Ever-Victorious, Iron-Willed Commander, Sun of Socialism, Sun of the Nation, World Leader of The 21st Century, Amazing politician, Great Man, Who Descended From Heaven, Savior, His Excellency Master Mind of the Revolution General Admiral Nedim
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Jewel Runner
Chronologically middle-aged, but spiritually young at heart.
And guys, you don't know what "old" is until you've lived with your grandparents! One of my aims is to never allow my imagination to stagnate, the way so many of my age-peers have. Even the younger generation seems to be lacking a bit in this department. Some 25+ years ago, I was waiting for a bus downtown, reading the book "Dicing With Dragons." A girl of about 10-12 years old looked at the title and then gave me one of the dirtiest looks I've ever seen from a kid that age. "There's no such thing as dragons!" she informed me.
"Yes, there is," I told her. "In your imagination."
She looked at me as though she thought I was nuts. At such a tender age, she had lost the capacity to imagine, and I think that's one of the saddest things about kids in the generations following mine. So many of them are used to being entertained by other people or by things, they have no idea how to do it from scratch.
See, that's cool and all, but complaining about young people and going off on irrelevant stories is the sort of crap old people pull.
It doesn't require an advanced number of trips around the Sun to post irrelevant stories and crap. I've just read two entire threads' worth of that, and to the best of my knowledge, only TWO of the participants were anywhere near my age.
If your aim is to pick a fight with me, just say so. If not, there's no need to be nasty (not that there's any need for that in any case).
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Jewel Runner
No fights being picked. Just kidding around.
Okay.
BvBPL
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You don't know what "young" is until you've seen your seventy-five year old grandfather get up at five in the morning to milk cows and keep working until the the sun goes down everyday without a break or holiday.
Skwink
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1) Have plenty of money
2) Have an interesting job
3) Convince Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, and Ginger Baker to get back together one last time and come to a town of 16,000 people.
4) Convince one of my friends that Rome>Greece
Those are my goals. Once I get all of those done I'll be satisfied.
2) Have an interesting job
3) Convince Eric Clapton, Jack Bruce, and Ginger Baker to get back together one last time and come to a town of 16,000 people.
4) Convince one of my friends that Rome>Greece
Those are my goals. Once I get all of those done I'll be satisfied.
Lord of Elves
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"Well I didn't vote for you."
BvBPL
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Yeah, I don't buy it. You can use perfectly rational techniques to engender emotional responses in yourself or others. Similarly, a rational examination of the psyche by a trained professional, and subsequent treatment by the same, is the best way to handle harmful irrational behavior and feeling in a subject. The cause of every emotion can be explained in a rational manner. You feel fear when watching a scary movie, well there's a rational explanation for why you feel fear even though it is irrational to be afraid while you are sitting safely on your sofa. Furthermore, the film makers used very rational systems in order to give you that sense of fear. Deeper issues with an individual psyche may require a bit more digging, but that doesn't mean that rationality is invalid as a means to explain or attend to these issues.
