1. We have added a Gift Upgrades feature that allows you to gift an account upgrade to another member, just in time for the holiday season. You can see the gift option when going to the Account Upgrades screen, or on any user profile screen.
    Dismiss Notice

What languages do you speak/are you learning?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ashcristokos, May 31, 2013.

  1. Civ'ed

    Civ'ed I ain't gotta explain a thing

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2010
    Messages:
    6,315
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Aberdonia et Banffia
    Nah, English is just Scots spelt weird.
     
  2. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2012
    Messages:
    26,698
    I believe this is true of all languages.

    I do realize this is a radical point of view, though.
     
  3. salty mud

    salty mud Ey-up

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    4,686
    Location:
    God's Own County
    Arabic is just English but written funny! :lol:
     
  4. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2012
    Messages:
    26,698
    It is!

    What's probably confusing you is they write it backwards. Hold it up to a mirror. And squint a bit.
     
  5. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2005
    Messages:
    31,583
    Location:
    Scotland
    That's truer than you think. Traditional Scots spelling is basically Early Modern, but English spelling has undergone all sorts of bizarre mutations, modernisations and misguided-yet-enduring attempts to turn it into French.

    At any rate, if Scots is English spelt wrong, then British Standard English is also English spelt wrong, and at least Scots has the virtue of being systematically incorrect.
     
  6. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,451
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    What does this even mean?
     
  7. Mouthwash

    Mouthwash Escaped Lunatic

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2011
    Messages:
    8,657
    Location:
    Hiding
    Before someone (presumably a Dutch nationalist) comes in to say that Duth is older than German.
     
  8. REDY

    REDY Duty Caller

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2004
    Messages:
    4,517
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Praha
    Slovak is still closer to Czech than some Czech dialects. IMHO it should be under native.
     
  9. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2008
    Messages:
    15,451
    Location:
    Chicago, IL
    But which Dutch and which German?

    It's not like in civ where you just "discover" "modern" German or "modern" Dutch. These languages exist on a constantly evolving continuum stretching all the way back to Denmark/Scania in the 12th or 13th century BC, and from there all the way back to Proto-Indo-European. What distinctions exist that delineate "Old High German" and "Modern German" or "Franconian" or "Old Dutch" and "Modern Dutch" is entirely arbitrary and applied post-facto.
     
  10. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2005
    Messages:
    31,583
    Location:
    Scotland
    I'd guess that "Dutch is older that German" means that print-Dutch is older that print-German which is... not entirely untrue? But so heavily qualified that it ends up meaning very little.

    Especially given that it wasn't until the nineteenth century that people outside of the Netherlands started to agree that Dutch wasn't just a funny kind of German to begin with.
     
  11. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Chieftain

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2007
    Messages:
    14,045
    Somehow I feel this is just how languages evolved in the first place. If we don't take into consideration modern transportation and accessibility, the information age, TV and the internet, etc., I wouldn't be surprised if Scottish English evolved into its own language after a century or two from now.

    How different would Galician, Portuguese, Castillian, and Catalan, or the various Italian dialects be from each other/Medieval Latin circa 900AD?
     
  12. salty mud

    salty mud Ey-up

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    4,686
    Location:
    God's Own County
    Well, yeah. But you wouldn't exactly call them "different languages" like some people do with Scots and English.
     
  13. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2004
    Messages:
    27,947
    Location:
    Brno -> Czech rep. >>European Union
    I don't think so. Slovak is like a major dialect of Czech which has split and differentiated into another bunch of dialects. Somewhere along the Morava river you can see (hear) how the two languages gradually shift.

    Some Moravian or (the now very minor) Bohemian dialects may be slightly weird if you hear them for the first time, but they're still closer to the "standard Czech" standard in grammar and lexicon than "standard Slovak".

    But I wouldn't dispute that insofar as understanding is concerned, Czechs can easily be counted under native-level. It's the production which is a problem ;)
     
  14. NovaKart

    NovaKart شێری گەورە

    Joined:
    May 6, 2010
    Messages:
    5,688
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Kurdistan
    Kurdish is really confusing because it uses the ergative. In the past tense, instead of saying for example - I ate the apple you would say it like - the apple my ate.

    The direct object goes in the middle of the verb in the present tense which is also confusing at first. Like in eyanbinim - I saw them which is like sa - them - w - I all combined into one word.
     
  15. HannibalBarka

    HannibalBarka We are Free

    Joined:
    May 14, 2003
    Messages:
    3,946
    Location:
    Paris, France
    speaks as a native french and arabic, fluently english and i'm learning mandarin. I also am fluent in C, C++, lisp, pascal, vb, etc;)
     
  16. Tahuti

    Tahuti Writing Deity

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2005
    Messages:
    9,492
    Gender:
    Male
    It was probably earlier. However, Dutch itself was hardly a monolithic language, since Lower Saxon was spoken in Gelderland, for instance.
     

Share This Page