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What social class are you?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ComradeDavo, May 26, 2008.

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What social class would you/your family describe yourself as?

  1. Working Class

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  2. Lower Middle Class

    15.3%
  3. Middle Class

    34.0%
  4. Upper Middle Class

    25.3%
  5. Upper Class

    7.3%
  6. Dunno?

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  1. really

    really Deity

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    My family's origins: Peasants
    My accent: Peasant
    My sporting interests: Peasant

    My income and education according to the chart: upper middle class
     
  2. Rambuchan

    Rambuchan The Funky President

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    What it is is another telling of The American Dream. Emphasis, as always, on Dream.

    And look where those wiki links lead (maybe the last sentence will shed some light on my previous post about British upper class values):


    If you click the link for the first citation there (namely [11]), you get these key findings of the cited report:

    Spoiler :





    ^ Two screenshots of some of the key findings in this PDF. See what it says about the "rags to riches" tale of the American Dream, Family Background and Race.

    So, does it resemble a meritocracy, as you offered? Or does it resemble something more like "the concentration of power in the hands of a social elite" definition of "elitism" that I offered previously? And can a meritocracy ever be achieved in large scale societies, especially in capitalist ones?

    There is never a perfect playing field for competition. Power is always held in the hands of a few. And that power is generally denied to those not in the elite, whatever you wish to call them.
     
  3. Ecofarm

    Ecofarm Deity

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    That's kinda bunk.

    France: VERY socialist
    Germany: Socialist until recently
    Canada: Socialist
    Sweden: VERY socialist
    Finland: ?
    Norway: VERY socialist
    Denmark?

    Basically, to move from lower to middle class in those countries, you need like an extra 5 bucks per year. Big deal. Compare that to moving from lower to middle class in the US... big difference. Of course it is easier to change class in those countries - there's little difference between class. Massive wealth redistribution programs in little tiny 1st world countries tends to do that. All those countries combined are probably not 1/5th of the US population.
     
  4. Rambuchan

    Rambuchan The Funky President

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    Ecofarm: There is some evidence of social mobility and meritocracy in what I posted. It's never black and white, after all. But I'm not sure what you've targeted is the right bit or way of going about it. Anyway, it's a bit more interesting than people rolling out their mini-biogs at least. [edit: So we might as well stick this in the thread too:]

     
  5. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    So true, specially when I am not trying to change them.

    But do you disagree?

    I don't want to ban terms like "lower class" or "working class", but I think they are pretty inaccurate and shouldn't be the mainstream ones.

    Race doesn't exist. If you can tell anything about one's personality based of the color of his skin, you're a better man than I (yeah Aerosmith was on the radio just now ;) )

    Symbolic capital, I have no idea what you mean by that. Do they accept it in the shopping malls?

    Speech is great, but what has it to do with class?

    Values are individual traits not class traits. I find it a ridiculous notion that one's values are dictated by one's class; I don't want to rant but this is typical and vulgar deterministic marxism with no basis on reality. I say that my values may be more similar to those of a poor fisherman or those of a european prince then with those of another middle class fellow. Likewise, culture is much more related to location then class; my culture will be more similar with that of any carioca, regardless of the social class, then with that of someone from Yemen who is of my class.

    Power relations and social exclusion have much more to do with cash than anything else. In our modern world it really doesn't matter where you come from, if you have enough cash you'll be accepted pretty much anywhere.

    And I certainly think that there is much more to life than merely money, but there isn't more to class.
     
  6. luiz

    luiz Trendy Revolutionary

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    The boss very much is a worker. Are bosses unemployed?
    Furthermore it's not only bosses which are excluded from this "working class", but all sorts of workers in all sorts of positions. It makes no sense that they are not part of the working class.

    And a professional construction worker would be refered to as profssional, I don't see how not.

    The term is misinforming.
     
  7. germanicus12

    germanicus12 First Citizen of Rome

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    250K a year. Though most of it goes into savings, saving up to buy a house for me and my wife. Currently lives in apartment.

    We have the house picked out, just need to pay the 400K downpayment by July 25th and the house is ours. Almost there.... just 100,000 more to go.
    Any one want to donate? :)
     
  8. Stolen Rutters

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    This paragraph is largely true, but don't forget that you get to mold the playing field too. You can have some power of your own if you are ambitious enough.

    My earlier post was to point out that none of our current candiates for President was raised in anything resembling an upper class. Power may be denied to them, but they are taking it anyway. Just because the top gets really narrow doesn't mean there is no opportunity for these people to move into the leader class from another class.
     
  9. ummmm........

    ummmm........ Extremely normal.

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    According to the image for US social classes, I have a working class job with a lower middle class income and an upper middle class education. Go me!
     
  10. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    You speak with logic, but as I saw I think in the UK celebrity as become part of the upper class, hence why I put people like David Beckham in that bracket. Perhaps it would be more sensiable to split the upper class into 2, those who are the modern nobles etc, and those who have become so but came from lower/working class roots.

    In regards to buissness - I should have been more specific, I meant people such as those on the board of BT or Shell and so forth.
     
  11. Brighteye

    Brighteye intuitively Bayesian

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    We get a lot of parvenus here in Oxford. I saw a couple of chaps playing table football for £50 yesterday, an ostentatious and vulgar display of wealth that some might say would not appeal to the upper or upper-middle classes.
    And yet others would say that the ability to fling money around so freely, and the willingness to do so, is one of the defining features of those same classes.

    Class is no longer as well-defined as it once was, with competing conceptions of class, depending on background and class.
     
  12. raketooy

    raketooy professional Coke drinker

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    I live with my family and I would say that my family is, by income, upper middle or upper class, but our lifestyle is by no means snobbish or anything like that. Here in Finland you can't generally tell one's social class from the way s/he speaks etc and the incomes are quite equal, so we don't really care much about social classes here. It would be considered odd here to show off one's wealth.
     
  13. Bronx Warlord

    Bronx Warlord Squad Leader

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    Upper middle class even with a mere E-5 income. BAH is a wonderful thing. Manage your money well, it is definately worth it.
     
  14. Stolen Rutters

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    Appreciating rents is a great long term strategy. I wish non-military like me could get loans at a VA loan interest rate... that would be awesome. I'd be all over that.
     
  15. Bronx Warlord

    Bronx Warlord Squad Leader

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    The loans are nice, the education benifits of some states are really good too above and beyond the GI bill.
     

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