What would you choose? Your opinions please.

[kochman]

Forgive me, I don't mean to be rude, but I saw that Boundless also wondered about this...and I'm totally curious as to the basis for that fear. You're guys are really young! Why wouldn't you have other chances to have kids?

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Having an abortion can interfere with having a child in the future... it's not anywhere near a 100% thing, but it can lower the odds of a successful pregnancy.

 

[Mise]

I think I agree, but am finding it really tough to put myself in the shoes of a pregnant woman. I have it good - I can never get impregnated and don't have to deal with something like this firsthand.

Exactly, yeah. And I can imagine myself as a 22 year old girl thinking what Boundless said she thought as well. I really have no idea what I'd do as a pregnant woman.

 

[warpus]

Not a female, of course... but, if the child were made (even accidentally) out of love, I would keep it. End of story, no matter the potential personal repercussions.

What if it was made out of "like" and "beer" ?

Exactly, yeah. And I can imagine myself as a 22 year old girl thinking what Boundless said she thought as well. I really have no idea what I'd do as a pregnant woman.

I'd probably cry a lot and eat a bunch of chocolate. But yeah, I am really glad that I'm male - in a lot of departments we have it GOOD

 

[kochman]

What if it was made out of "like" and "beer" ?

I think you have my answer from my original answer...

 

[Traitorfish]

Not a female, of course... but, if the child were made (even accidentally) out of love, I would keep it. End of story, no matter the potential personal repercussions.

Somehow, the former diminishes the latter.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

The fact that she's only 22 years old and just embarking on a career is a pretty big "detail".

She is smart girl so I think she will manage no matter the course her life will take... 22 is young but the question is what one needs from life? Satisfaction. Accidentaly she had an experience which showed her wants and needs so she could exemine her true feelings about things and her own inner attitudes. Thats something she can be gratefull about. Now she can make decisions evaluated on little deeper knowledge of her own world and she can discriminate what is it she realy wants from what is imposed on her by others, society etc.

 

[Cheetah]

The fact that she's only 22 years old and just embarking on a career is a pretty big "detail".

Somehow, the former diminishes the latter.

You seem awfully grouchy today.

I know I might not always have the best social antennas, but I don't get why you're criticising their posts. I thought they were nice, though I'll admit I don't know what Boundless thought of them of course.

 

[warpus]

Traitorfish always seems grumpy to me.

 

[Traitorfish]

You seem awfully grouchy today.

I know I might not aalways have the best social antennas, but I don't get why you're criticising their posts. I thought they were nice, though I'll admit I don't know what Boundless thought of them of course.

The first was only intended to express scepticism, so I apologise if it appeared passive-aggressive. The second obviously had a sour note to it, I can't deny that, but that's because this thread has just a few too many people making grand proclamations that they will never have to live up to for my liking. So I guess it is what it is.

Traitorfish always seems grumpy to me.

That too.

 

[mayor]

Back in the days when I head a relationship my gf and me discussed what we would do if she might have become pregnant. We both agreed we would have it aborted, we were younger than 22 though.

At this point in my life, 22, single and still a student for a few years, my first choice would be an abortion. I know I want kids one day, but at this point it's just not a good thing, not for me and definitely not for the kid.

But if I would have a girlfriend who has the financial means to support a kid, I would support that decision a 100%. I know it would be difficult with time and everything, I still would go to the university but I know my parents are willing to help out and that would seal the deal for me.

For me it is all about being able to support a kid. As soon as I would be able I would want to keep it.



and Boundless, one day you'll have that kid and you'll love it as much as you would have this one

 

[GoodGame]

Hypothetically, if I was a woman and at your age in that hypothetical situation (i.e. expecting), I'd probably discuss it with father first as the main second for input on the decision, excepting whatever medical advice my physician had for me. Everyone else's opinion would be tertiary, and at best would help me sort out my own identity and ethics on the issue.

 

[Boundless]

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Having an abortion can interfere with having a child in the future... it's not anywhere near a 100% thing, but it can lower the odds of a successful pregnancy.

Where do you get that information from? I'm almost certain it's the opposite. there is no proof abortion stops a successful pregnancy later in life.

 

[Boundless]

and Boundless, one day you'll have that kid and you'll love it as much as you would have this one

I really, really will

 

[kochman]

Where do you get that information from? I'm almost certain it's the opposite. there is no proof abortion stops a successful pregnancy later in life.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/abortion/AN00633

Generally, abortion isn't thought to cause fertility issues or complications in subsequent pregnancies. However, some research suggests a possible link between abortion and an increased risk of:

Vaginal bleeding during early pregnancy
Preterm birth
Low birth weight
Placenta previa — when the placenta partially or completely covers the cervix, which can cause severe bleeding before or during delivery
During a medical abortion, a woman takes oral medications — such as mifepristone (Mifeprex) — in early pregnancy to abort the fetus. During a surgical abortion, the fetus is removed from the uterus — typically with a vacuum device, a syringe or a spoon-shaped instrument with a sharp edge (curette) — as an outpatient surgical procedure. Rarely, a surgical abortion can damage the cervix or uterus. In such cases, surgery might be needed to correct the damage before a woman can conceive again.

It's not 100%... maybe not even 1%... but I had heard it could cause issues.

 

[peter grimes]

"suggests a possible link"

means that you can't even assign a percentage to the risk, since there may not be a risk at all.

My wife works in the birth field, and I've picked up a bit through osmosis. One of the things she rails against is misinformation, and the whole 'abortion = riskier pregnancy' is one of them.

Likewise, having a miscarriage has no bearing at all on your future chances of carrying to term, so don't sweat it. The good news is you can conceive!

 

[Mise]

There are fewer sentences more caveated than "some research suggests a possible link".
"some" - not "most" or even "recent"
"suggests" - not "proves"
"possible" - not "actual" or "definite"
"link" - not "cause"

Not to mention that the previous sentence states that the prevailing view is that abortions don't cause complications in future pregnancies.

 

[kochman]

"suggests a possible link"

means that you can't even assign a percentage to the risk, since there may not be a risk at all.

My wife works in the birth field, and I've picked up a bit through osmosis. One of the things she rails against is misinformation, and the whole 'abortion = riskier pregnancy' is one of them.

Likewise, having a miscarriage has no bearing at all on your future chances of carrying to term, so don't sweat it. The good news is you can conceive!

There are fewer sentences more caveated than "some research suggests a possible link".
"some" - not "most" or even "recent"
"suggests" - not "proves"
"possible" - not "actual" or "definite"
"link" - not "cause"

Not to mention that the previous sentence states that the prevailing view is that abortions don't cause complications in future pregnancies.

Would you completely discount the risk?
I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to do anything that might potential create a possible issue... vague or otherwise.

 

[peter grimes]

Would you completely discount the risk?
I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to do anything that might potential create a possible issue... vague or otherwise.

Yes, I would completely discount the risk since the alternative has larger long-term consequences.

Raising a child is a full-time job on top of the (usual) 2 full-time jobs it takes to manage a household. It's a job you can't quit, it's a job that only pays in pride. It's not at all a job to be undertaken lightly, and it's a job that the two of you must commit to for a couple of decades.

Compared to the [unproven] risks associated with a medical procedure, Yes, Yes, Yes.

I've seen more marriages break up due to early children than any other cause (including infidelity). Maybe my experience is odd, but that would be unlikely.

 

[GamezRule]

Traitorfish always seems grumpy to me.

Me thinks it's a Scottish thing.

 

[Mise]

Would you completely discount the risk?
I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to do anything that might potential create a possible issue... vague or otherwise.

Pregnancies themselves have far more serious risks than those listed in that quote... You can never look at medical procedures in isolation, but by comparison to the counterfactual.