What's wrong with Mexico?!!

[silver 2039]

Why do you not think it will stop (or atleast cut down on) illegal immigration.

The same reason the Berlin Wall or Great Wall didn't stop anyone. People will find a way to go over it, under it, through it, or around it. It may cut down illegal immigration a bit but it won't do much. A determined person can still get through. look at India's security fence in Kashmir for example, complete, with eletrcity, video camers, barbed wires, patrol guards and such.
It has not stopped infiltration merely cut it down.

A wall or fence is merley a stopgap not a real soloution.

 

[h4ppy]

Thats weird, and here I thought that the Berlin Wall did infact keep a large portion of East Berlin from getting through.

 

[silver 2039]

Thats weird, and here I thought that the Berlin Wall did infact keep a large portion of East Berlin from getting through.

Well the guards typically shot anyone who tried to get over. I'm assuming that the US is too humane to do that.

 

[h4ppy]

Not everone is strong enough to climb a wall. The Berliners also had the advantage of the wall being right down the street from where they lived instead of in a dessert.

 

[Oerdin]

Why do you not think it will stop (or atleast cut down on) illegal immigration.

They already have a wall in the urban and suburban areas and it has done **** all to stop illegal immigration and the only thing which has worked has been increased patrols by the border patrol. The government will only do that at 1-2 high traffic locations along the 1800 mile long border so the real "problem" is that the government won't hire, train, and deploy any where near the needed number of border patrol agents. As the Chinese proved walls are useless unless you bother to actually have enough trust worthy people manning them.

With operation gate keeper people just stopped moving through San Diego and instead moved 50 miles east and went through the desert. When the border patrol moved east then the flow headed back to the city. The resources this wall would cost would better be spent on hiring more border patrol because that will actually get some results unlike this proposed wall. The people climb over it, the drug runners dig under it, they hide in vans and get through the normal border crossing points, or they fly over it. Some people even have rammed big rigs into the existing wall and then a human wave rushed through the hole and there is jack cheese the 1-2 agents on hand can do to stop a mass of 1000 people bum rushing them.

 

[Oerdin]

Not everone is strong enough to climb a wall. The Berliners also had the advantage of the wall being right down the street from where they lived instead of in a dessert.

I've seen ladders and all sorts of stuff. Believe me the walls do not work.

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

mexico doesnt have a right to the water. yeah in a humanitarian way its a crappy thing to do but its not our fault mexico cant take care of its own infrastructure and provide water to its own people like we can. (they are surrounded by two large bodies of water, perhaps you've heard of them, the pacific ocean and the gulf of mexico.)

its not our fault they cant or wont take care of their own people. i feel bad for them but at what point are we harming ourselves while helping others? who's taking care of us? our country has its own problems but i dont see anyone chomping at the bit to help us. improving our infrastructure allows us the ability to take care of more people. if we neglect ours to help others we arent doing ourselves or those who rely on us any favors.

i dont like it but my country has a right to fix its own canal, if mexican farmers just across the border dont like it, they should storm the capital in mexico city and let their presidente have an earful of what they're screaming at us. they're complaining to the wrong people about their problems as far as im concerned. their complaints arent falling on deaf ears from me but this isnt their country or their government.

everything begins at home, in this case country. you cant fix your country while looking at outside sources to make it better. not our fault their government sucks more than ours, its not even their fault but its their country and if they want a better country they have to work for it and earn it.

 

[BasketCase]

How else are they going to get water? Should we just let them suffer? Do you think you would act the same way if you were without water?

Suddenly, national sovereignty isn't so precious, is it?

I can't say what I would do, since I've never been in such a situation, but having been in situations where I was forced to consider moving to fairly unpleasant areas of the U.S. in order to have a job, I can say, with 90% certainty, that I wouldn't be caught in such a situation in the first place. I place a lot of importance on not having an apartment in slummy areas.

 

[Leonel]

Hmmm the classic stealing-bread-to-feed-your-family conundrum.

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

Hmmm the classic stealing-bread-to-feed-your-family conundrum.

yeah except mexicans are too lazy to expect more from their own government. how else would you explain the fact they prefer fleeing their own country to come here where water isnt rationed, very clean and available everywhere?

its like being homeless but only because you choose to be, not because you truly fell on hard times.

 

[EdwardTking]

...they are surrounded by two large bodies of water, perhaps
you've heard of them, the pacific ocean and the gulf of mexico....

Sadly, it seems that Mexicans are less advanced than
USAsians and do not thrive drinking salty sea water.

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

i guessing distilling water is out of their technological grasp?

gee whiz they must be living like cavemen down there!

 

[luiz]

i guessing distilling water is out of their technological grasp?

gee whiz they must be living like cavemen down there!

Distilling water is actually very expensive to suit the needs of a nation.

 

[bhsup]

Distilling water is actually very expensive to suit the needs of a nation.

Then I guess it's a good thing they just found a big honkin' oil field.

 

[ThePrankMonkey]

Then I guess it's a good thing they just found a big honkin' oil field.

well they'll screw that up too.

but provided they dont they can import perrier.

 

[FredLC]

Moderator Action: ThePrankMonkey, please CEASE bashing Mexicans. Consider yourself warned.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Hundegesicht]

Well, the US can continue allowing the Mexicans to steal their water, or they could send engineers to Mexico to help them build their own canals. Really, both would cost (or continue to cost) the U.S. a lot of revenue, but helping Mexico support itself rather than mooch off of the U.S. would be a lot better. Really, most of the problem is the fault of the Mexican government not taking care of it's own citizens, but it's the poor Mexican farmers that get screwed over either way.