When did feminism go completely crazy?

[Traitorfish]

I like Egalitarianism way better than I like MRActivism or Feminism. I'm not amazing in the not being sexist camp, but do I actually come off as "raging?"

You'd be the exception, then, and I'd content that there's a difference between musing about it and going around calling yourself an "egalitarian". Most of the people who routinely describe themselves as "egalitarian" are simply people who are threatened by feminism, but too invested in an image of modernist individualism to argue for traditional gender roles.

What exactly is your issue with Dawkins of all people?

He's a racist, sexist philistine. I don't find those qualities admirable in some snake-handling Appalachian minister, why should I be more impressed because I find them in an Oxford don?

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, ok. That's fair. I wouldn't call myself an "egalitarian." I simply like the underpinnings better than those other two things people generally consider themselves to be.

 

[Triewd]

He's a racist, sexist philistine. I don't find those qualities admirable in some snake-handling Appalachian minister, why should I be more impressed because I find them in an Oxford don?

When? How? Proof required.

 

[warpus]

That's exactly what Feminism is about.

Keep in mind that Feminism does not claim that the genders are equivalent (i.e. that there are no differences between the male/female), rather it claims that males and females deserve equal rights, opportunities, and treatment.

The problem is that feminism almost always seems to focus on women's issues, from my experience anyway. The way I see it, the feminism that I come in contact with on a regular basis is a movement to push forwards women's rights and issues first and foremost.

Which is fine, because it is "fem"inism after all, but I'm just responding to the assertion that the movement strikes to look at issues of both genders. Maybe it does in some way, but the great majority of discussion seems to focus only on one gender.

 

[Triewd]

The problem is that feminism almost always seems to focus on women's issues, from my experience anyway. The way I see it, the feminism that I come in contact with on a regular basis is a movement to push forwards women's rights and issues first and foremost.

Which is fine, because it is "fem"inism after all, but I'm just responding to the assertion that the movement strikes to look at issues of both genders. Maybe it does in some way, but the great majority of discussion seems to focus only on one gender.

Indeed its inherently biased, and worse it then claims to be about equality.

 

[Traitorfish]

When? How? Proof required.

Yeah, probably.

 

[Lohrenswald]

What issues do men have that feminism doesn't consider?

 

[Traitorfish]

There is a few, but it mostly consists of men being terrible to other men, and I don't think we should expect women to concern themselves over-much with that stuff.

 

[Triewd]

What issues do men have that feminism doesn't consider?

First off Feminism is inherently against Men/biased for Women - Its even in the name. So why would it be for me Period?

And secondly I would not know where to even start

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/men-in-higher-education-the-numbers-dont-look-good-guys/2011807.article

Whilst there are biases in that article I Really don't like its a starting point.

 

[Triewd]

There is a few, but it mostly consists of men being terrible to other men, and I don't think we should expect women to concern themselves over-much with that stuff.

No. False.

Theres my problem with feminism.

The kicker? those people are/were leading feminists with influence to this day.

 

[warpus]

What issues do men have that feminism doesn't consider?

I've seriously never seen a feminist discuss one single issue that affects men. I mean, I don't follow feminism religiously or anything like that, so this is just my own personal experience speaking, but yeah.. a big fat 0. It's always women's issues. I mean, I'm sure it happens here and there, but feminism seems to be a movement first and foremost for women's issues. Which makes sense to me, since it's "fem"inism, like I said.

Here's a video that talks about some of this:


Link to video.

 

[sophie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNzLeZEZ9fU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNzLeZEZ9fU

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Feminist-Crazy-Quotes/254381504735184
Ill just leave these here.



Oh and I could go on and on.

The very definition of mansplaining.

 

[warpus]

"mansplaining" sounds like a sexist term to me.

 

[Farm Boy]

<shrugs> It is. It's "arrogant condescension" with a gender-barb warhead.

 

[warpus]

I don't know, imagine a woman was saying something and I said

"Stop womansplaining, only a man could explain this right".

Seems like pretty clear cut sexism right there.

 

[Farm Boy]

That would probably be "quit ing at me." It carries the derisive dismissal you're looking for.

Edit: Heh, fiiiilters. "quit <femaledog>ing at me."

 

[Lohrenswald]

Isn't feminism about getting rid of gender roles at this point?
I think it should at least.

Personally I like feminism because I can't be bothered to oppress

 

[Triewd]

I don't know, imagine a woman was saying something and I said

"Stop womansplaining, only a man could explain this right".

Seems like pretty clear cut sexism right there.

Indeed.

EDIT: In fact its an Ad Hominem meant to detract, from my arguments rather than address them.

 

[warpus]

@ Farm_boy

Oh you said "It is"

My bad

 

[thecrazyscot]

The problem is that feminism almost always seems to focus on women's issues, from my experience anyway. The way I see it, the feminism that I come in contact with on a regular basis is a movement to push forwards women's rights and issues first and foremost.

Well, yes. Feminism arose because women did not have as many rights as men, so it's focus has been on bringing women's rights up to the same level, so to speak. Now, it's often not the "rights" that are the issue (although sometimes they still are), but the attitudes, so the focus has changed a bit.

That all being said, I certainly do support improving rights/attitudes for all, and feminism agrees. If a man wants to be a stay-at-home parent, he shouldn't be looked down on because of that.

The whole idea that men need advocates would have gotten you laughed out even just a few years ago, because historically all the rights were saved for the men. Gender roles have come a long way in lessening rigidity, but there's still work to do on both sides.

Perhaps mainstream feminism does need to evolve a bit, after all, the times have changed. Again, I think Emma Watson was perfectly on point in regards to this.