When did feminism go completely crazy?

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First, we had Gamergate, a huge rotting cesspit of an argument that started out as a legitimate criticism of the incestuous relationship between journalists and developers in the video-game industry, then expanded to include censorship of the discussion on platforms like and Reddit, then got derailed by feminists who tried to make it about "misogyny" in response to the hijacking of the hashtag by misogynists who had nothing to do with the actual Gamergate people. To this day, the Wikipedia article on Gamergate covers less than 10% of the relevant information, and it just happens to be the same <10% that supports Zoe Quinn's side of the story, thanks to left-wing activist moderators who have the article in a deathgrip.

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That was sneaky.

There have been highly radicalized feminists for a long time - like any vocal minority, the internet has given them a disproportionate voice. I would say that vast numbers of people are feminists now, even if they don't choose to identify with the label.

This seems relevant.


Link to video.
 
If what Miss Watson says is true, that Feminism is about gender equality, then perhaps the movement needs a name change. The name Feminism focuses on females, which then often gets conflated with "Female Supremacists" or other similar terms. Maybe "Equal Rightists" or something (I'm sure someone can come up with something better) might be more fitting with their stated goals and prevent confusion like the OP had.
 
Feminism got "crazy" with the realization that the "equality" 2nd wave feminists were fighting for and the experiences they incorporated were singularly focused on the plight of white educated women. The scope of feminism expanded. People are ok with white women agitating for equal rights, but LGBT women? minority women? Nuh-UH!

You have it completely backwards.
 
If what Miss Watson says is true, that Feminism is about gender equality, then perhaps the movement needs a name change. The name Feminism focuses on females, which then often gets conflated with "Female Supremacists" or other similar terms. Maybe "Equal Rightists" or something (I'm sure someone can come up with something better) might be more fitting with their stated goals and prevent confusion like the OP had.

Egalitarianism?
 
Eh, it's just the same thing as everything else right now. Everybody that is a unstudied adherent of the movement, which is easy to be considering it's a damned good movement, has the internet and the really really stupid things that some people say are going to get spread around. Consider the crazyfemnutjobs the equivalent of the crazymranutjobs, then realize they can, and are sometimes inclined to, read each other's stuff to show their other halfarse informed friends how stupid and crazy people who don't agree with them are.

This pretty much hits the nail on the head. A problem is that unlettered people pick up on statements by scholars that, absent context, appear to be bombastic. The observers blow the statements out of proportion.

Another problem is that some feminists make statements that actually are bombastic.

In either case, some parties extrapolate the general from the particular and scream at the top of their longs that "feminists are doing this that or the other thing," when they should be accurately saying "some feminists are doing this that or the other thing."

For example, I recently attended a lecture by Emily Nagoski, a sex health expert and researcher. Her new thesis is that the sex drive, understood as an individual survival instinct, doesn't exist, and that it would be a better model to view sexual arousal as being two separate but interrelated, things: physical arousal and emotional arousal.

Dr. Nagoski was not shy about presenting the consequence of this new thesis in a feminist light. She points out that adopted by society of her model on sexual arousal may have a significant effect upon how we view rape and other sexual assaults. To wit, once we have freed ourselves from thinking of sex as an individual survival drive our relationship with sexual violence changes because we would no longer see (most) people who violate our sexual mores as slaves to their physical drives and unable to help themselves.

The critic of Dr. Nagoski could readily take that and say "Feminists Think Sex Drive Doesn't Exist." That soundbite is flawed on a number of levels. For one, the speaker has, as the OP has, assumed that one woman speaks for all of feminism. For another, the statement that the sex drive doesn't exist full stop disregards the manner in which Nagoski has attempted to frame her model in light of drives being individual survival requirements.
 
If what Miss Watson says is true, that Feminism is about gender equality, then perhaps the movement needs a name change. The name Feminism focuses on females, which then often gets conflated with "Female Supremacists" or other similar terms. Maybe "Equal Rightists" or something (I'm sure someone can come up with something better) might be more fitting with their stated goals and prevent confusion like the OP had.

That's exactly what Feminism is about. :)

Keep in mind that Feminism does not claim that the genders are equivalent (i.e. that there are no differences between the male/female), rather it claims that males and females deserve equal rights, opportunities, and treatment.
 
Which is Egalitarianism, but more limited in its focus?
 
I don't even know where to start with the idiocy displayed in the opening post.

I would however like to say that I couldn't be happier that those 'honeybadgers' managed to blow their MRA donated money on what must be the dumbest move I've seen these scumbags pull in a while.
 
The OP is someones alt, it has to be. Very drolly amusing one though. In 10 minutes posts were made on feminism, ron paul, fiat currency and opposition to the minimum wage. Very plausible, well crafted.
 
Well, yes. But a lot of people don't understand what Feminism is actually about.

I think they've recognized a good ideal. Gotten excited, then gotten confused when they realized that that the scope of this incredibly popular ideology is limited instead of universal.
 
I'd take labels like "egalitarianism" more seriously if I'd ever seen them used by somebody who wasn't a raging sexist.

There's no reason we can't use "feminism" while accepting that it does not describe the total sum of gender issues, any more than we expect it to describe the total sum of sexual issues.
 
I'd take labels like "egalitarianism" more seriously if I'd ever seen them used by somebody who wasn't a raging sexist.

There's no reason we can't use "feminism" while accepting that it does not describe the total sum of gender issues, any more than we expect it to describe the total sum of sexual issues.

I like Egalitarianism way better than I like MRActivism or Feminism. I'm not amazing in the not being sexist camp, but do I actually come off as "raging?"
 
He's what would be kindly put as a "militant atheist" and less kindly as "what Christians think all atheists".

Well I don't agree with everything he has ever said (who does agree with everything a person has said?) but that does not discount what he has said particularly in that video and other things about feminism.

Truth is Truth no matter who says it after all.
 
Meh, nevermind for now. Sorry.
 
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