Imperialmajesty
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If God created the universe, then he created Satan. He is the prime mover of the good, and of the evil. This problem is solved by "free will", but I cannot find free will anywhere in the bible.
Which Character in the Bible is more evil? God or Satan?
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Um... common knowledge that the bible is the word of god, in the eyes of christians.
It seems to me like you are deliberately misinterpreting me. I don't believe in either, tbh, as my avatar and siggy will tell you... I accept no such assumptions. In the eyes of christians, god did write the bible. no assumption needed. Anyway, as has already been pointed out, god made satan, thus god has a hand in everything satan does. Hence god's evil >>>>>> satan's.
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Um... common knowledge that the bible is the word of god, in the eyes of christians.
Common knowledge that Satan is the root of evil.
No, really? I thought a guy with the title "atheist missionary" was a wide-eyed, avid born-again believer. Obviously I meant that you accepted the one for the sake of argument but not the other.
Also in their eyes, Satan has a hand in all evil. Your point?
Free will.
Seriously, try harder. There are much better grounds to attack Christianity on than "God created Satan." Instead of doing that, argue that the death of any human being is inherently wrong, and therefore God committed a crime. That's a valid criticism. But don't just rewrite doctrine to suit your own ends.
Imperialmajesty
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Where in the bible is Free Will?
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The Bible is not the be-all and end-all of Christian theology.
Imperialmajesty
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Never said It was. I am talking about in the bible, not in the writings of St. Aquinas or other theologians. From a strictly biblical point of view, where is free will? Did you not look at the title of this thread?
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God did create Satan. Satan used to be an angel. Then Satan decided to revolt against God because he thought God was unjust, and was sent to hell. The tortures of hell twisted Satan's mind and made him truly evil. At least, that's how Paradise Lost reads. I don't believe in God, but if I did I would probably side with Satan anyway... At least I would side with the pre-hell Satan.
Christianity was never about "strict biblicalism" in the first place. That's a novelty that occurred in the past two hundred years or so, and it's foolish to put it under that lens. Fundamentalists arn't as "conservative" as you might they are, because their doctrine is new.
You're already well on your way to being a proper, god-fearing Christian just like the rest of America. Now you just need to have someone with the holy spirit in him to smack you until you come around the rest of the way.
Imperialmajesty
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Stop deflecting. Where in the bible is free will stated as being true?
Fr8monkey
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Free will is a load given to us by church officials to cover the fact that their god is an inconsistant prat. Free will is illogical.
I'll deflect as much as I damn well want. How is it relevant?
Imperialmajesty
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Why should I answer you when you refuse to answer mine? Oh, and this is a civil discussion
Why should I answer you when you refuse to answer mine? Oh, and this is a civil discussion
This was never a civil discussion, considering your OP. You are being completely intellectually dishonest.
The bible never explicitly says that free will is true or false, and neither does it explicitly say that the trinity is true or false, but that doesn't change anything about orthodox christian doctrine.
There is no such thing as a "strictly biblical point of view" within Christianity, and it is foolish to use those lens.
Imperialmajesty
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A Christian calling an Atheist intellectually dishonest, oh the delicious irony.
You bring up Orthodox Christian Doctrine. What is Orthodox Christian Doctrine?
Miles Teg
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I do find it ironic that the Bible is meant to glorify God, and shows him murdering far more people that Satan, the antagonist, ever did.
I don't think Hitler personally killed anyone. He just gave evil orders that were followed by people who then did evil things.
Unless you want to count 'rebelling against God' as 'evil', I guess that answers that question.
Unless you want to count 'rebelling against God' as 'evil', I guess that answers that question.
Leonel
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How can you be sure of how many Satan killed? Perhaps he likes to do all his killing behind the scenes.
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