Which Civ would you like in Colonization?

[The Fishman]

He's still a great navigator and by the way , they would have probably joined the colonization if they(emperors) all had this ideas in mind

Problem is, China weren't the most outward-thinking power. They had a huge empire and were the most advanced civilisation in the world. What more could they want?

The Spanish, on the other hand, had been fighting the Moors for centuries and had finally defeated them. They had little good land and their people resented them. The also had a massive army, and needed something to use it on. The primitive Americas were the perfect target.

 

[Circuit]

change venice to italy , actually all these are good civs to play with

Italy did not exist. City-states existed in its stead, Venice being one of them. Modern Italy came about in the 1800s.

 

[r_rolo1]

I always wondered how you could make a story of American colonization without Portugal... it is almost a History of Europe without France or England.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

I think the portugese should definitley be included. If I had to pick more, I would actually say the Germans and Belgians. That way colonization of Africa scenarios could be played.

 

[Kao'chai]

I realize that... but precisely because he did not we did not see a massive Chinese colonization of the Pacific or other areas, just European one.

But isn't the whole civ4 game , a what if situation

 

[Gelion]

But isn't the whole civ4 game , a what if situation

Well, my main argument is that "Colonization" is about Europeans settling in the Americas. I could see the Chinese being in the expansion or an add-on, but having them in the main game, in a way, destroys the "feel" of it (largely because you want to replay a certain historical period).
I am Russian and I would like, for example, for Russian colonists to appear in the East around say 1600's, but I know that it is not historical, even though colonization of Siberia could happen twice as fast.

 

[Kao'chai]

Look , no more arguments . But Firaxis should have been more specific , Or they should expanded it to Asia , Africa etc

 

[Gelion]

OK, roger man

 

[Exoma]

PERSIA!! so I can colonize all of Central Asia. Like the old days.

 

[Pigmerikan Mao]

I'd want Sweden, Russia, Portugal, and the Vikings included, because they've all had colonial stakes in the Americas. Just my choices.

 

[bob bobato]

Remember the end goal is Independence from the mother Country. Portugal was never really in a position to achieve this with their colonies. The politics in Portugual never allowed them to develop their colonies or put them in a real place of defending them.

You could say the same thing about France then. After all, New France wasn't seen as anything more than a source of furs, and had very little colonization compared to other countries (there were only about 70,000 people in New France at the Conquest- and over a million in the American Colonies, which covered much less area).

 

[volbound1700]

Erm, not true. King James I / VI held the both the Crown of Scotland and the Crown of England, and with the latter went Wales. He was Scottish.

I actually meant that England controlled Scotland and Wales, he misread my sentence but since James did control both Scotland and England and Wales and Ireland were apart of England then Scotland controlled Wales as well lol.

Actually I think Scotland colonization should be lumped under England since they joined in 1707 anyways.

 

[Zenon_pt]

Well you ask, I have answered. PORTUGAL!!! PORTUGAL!!!

 

[r_rolo1]

Remember the end goal is Independence from the mother Country. Portugal was never really in a position to achieve this with their colonies. The politics in Portugual never allowed them to develop their colonies or put them in a real place of defending them.

I think you are seeing things completely reversed, my friend.... Just not to go very far from the Americas, it was the effort of the Portuguese colonists, allied to freed slaves and indians , that drove the Dutch out of Brazil, in a effort pretty similar to the the one that the future USA England colonies did against the Quebec French. And the Indenpendence of Brazil was virtually painless, indicating that they were more than prepared to get indenpendence..... In fact , for 15 years Rio de Janeiro ( Brazil ) was the Portuguese capital ( BTW I do not recall any kind of English effort to prepare any of their colonies for the independence ever .... but I never saw that kind of argument turned against them )

Another case of ignorance of history, I'm afraid....

 

[Huayna Capac357]

The only reason that Brazil was independent nonviolently was Napoleon! Napoleon is hardly a natural phenomenon.

 

[r_rolo1]

And King George III was some kind of hurricane, right ?

 

[Saim]

How exactly could non-European civs be included? Isn't the whole thing about colonization of the Americas? Then I would go with Russia and Portugal. I would add Belgium, Germany and Italy if the game where to expand into Africa, as well as the Japanese and Qing Dynasty if the game where to expand into Asia.

EDIT: It might also be fun to play as the Iroquois, Sioux, Cherokee, Inuit, Aztecs, Mayans, Inca, etc. and fight back the Europeans, or even colonize Europe!

 

[Zenon_pt]

Saim - that's more Civ then Col

 

[i_diavolorosso]

Definitely portugal
Not tham i'm a portuguese.
But portugal is really important in history

 

[The Snug]

The problem with Russia is that if left with no real competition for land they would likely win every game.

As such you'd also have to simulate that to support their Alaskan colony, they had to move across Asia - which itself was in the process of being colonised. Furthermore you'd also have to simulate that each winter Russia often only had limited access to the ocean as it's ports were often frozen over.

I suspect you'd have to have very limited cross production (influencing the number of colonists that are spawned), and perhaps have to pay a mark-up for training/recruiting colonists and would also have to pay transportation taxes on goods sold in 'Europe' to represent the need to shift them from Russia's Asian coast to Europe.

I always sailed around the world and set-up my colonies on the western side of the new world so that I wouldn't have to worry about the other nations. Besides, the Incans and Aztecs were richer.

The idea that Col was all about North America can't be true. The original game always included a southern hemisphere and Spain and the Incas and Aztecs and Tupis.